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Re: whack em stack em cabin idears
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2017, 07:45:09 pm »
You could always go timber frame!

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Or you could go Deluxe 16x20.

 

 

The granite hitching post and da shrubs might be overkill for a sawmill shack.
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Re: whack em stack em cabin idears
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2017, 08:00:44 pm »
 :D :D :D  Dave I would love to learn timber framing and do one but I just don't have the time...but...you could come and do a timber frame for me, I'd let ya!!  ;D
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Re: whack em stack em cabin idears
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2017, 08:02:43 pm »
Only charge me a small daily fee? :D
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Re: whack em stack em cabin idears
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2017, 08:38:02 pm »
Only charge me a small daily fee? :D


lol lol I wouldn’t even charge ya a dime!
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Re: whack em stack em cabin idears
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2017, 06:06:46 am »
Them shrubs and hitching post would make any sawmill shack shine with proud.  ;D
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Re: whack em stack em cabin idears
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2017, 09:44:06 am »
Go completely Red neck and use two school busses .  Dream about cabins on www.cabinporn.com or call that TV Guy to build you a $100,000 tree house. Mean while stay warm .  .
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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2017, 11:59:45 am »
That cabin link that Red posted is safe for work.  Well, might end up sucking up bandwidth and time, but it won't get your spouse all riled up.

I notice a 10-x48 office trailer for sale on the Syracuse CL.  Tow it in and drop it like a job site office, which it is. 
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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2017, 01:22:16 pm »
The foundation would be the tricky part, or rather maybe the most important for sure,, I've sawn a few D-log cabins,  several different approaches on their construction methods, you tube has a few neat videos on dovetailing for the chinking methods, the others often use the lap over and spiked together.  I do know for a fact when using green timbers, if there are any inside walls,,there has to be an allowance for shrinkage, seems like for a normal build, 8' ceilings, bout 1-1/2 to 2"  I've always thought it may be easier to build get away cabins on skids, and level as required if it's a primitive setting. 
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« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2017, 10:24:21 pm »
Yep..I’m leaning towards just doing it on skids.  If I did it that way, I would do two layers or skids, so that that that (Dug) way as the bottom ones rot I can easily replace them.  Or just set on blocks and try to keep the wet offa them.  Maybe just use some hemlock...if I can find some hemlock without shake round here
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« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2017, 02:20:58 pm »
My sis is building a shed 8x16 on skids.  Started with 6" of crusher run gravel, then lay old railroad ties as bunks.  The skids are pressure treated 6x6, and the PT 2x8 joists sit on top of the skids.  She is building it with mobility in mind, so each joist is attached to the skids with four Timberloks toe-screwed in.  Getting the RR ties level has been the hardest part of the shed build.  Apropos to nothing, I really need to get myself a transit or a modern equivalent.
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« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2017, 08:35:56 pm »
Talked with a local guy who owns a pretty successful excavation biz, he is 1/3 owner of the quarry next door.  I told him I was thinking about getting some stone from him, and with it I was gonna dig a few trenches, put 4 perc pipe in the bottoms that daylights out and backfill with stone for a cabin foundation.  He said that what they would do with camps is go up in the woods and cut some red cedar poles, sharpen the points and drive em in the ground with the backhoe and build on them.  Said the red cedar round here would last forever...I been giving that idea some thought but I dont like the point idea cause that would be conducive to settling no?  I have pushed over some old fence posts with the backhoe that looked old as the dirt but when i pushed them over they fought back and were still red inside..so idk what yous guys tink?  I can get some red cedar.  He also said hemlock with tar would hold up.  Another thought was to just use the red cedar (i think its juniper what grows here but not sure) but instead of driving it down, dig down, put a cap block or some sorta load bearing base and backfill it with the clay and call it a day, eh?
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« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2017, 12:11:40 am »
He said that what they would do with camps is go up in the woods and cut some red cedar poles, sharpen the points and drive em in the ground with the backhoe and build on them.  Said the red cedar round here would last forever...I been giving that idea some thought but I dont like the point idea cause that would be conducive to settling no?  I have pushed over some old fence posts with the backhoe that looked old as the dirt but when i pushed them over they fought back and were still red inside..so idk what yous guys tink?  I can get some red cedar.  He also said hemlock with tar would hold up.  Another thought was to just use the red cedar (i think its juniper what grows here but not sure) but instead of driving it down, dig down, put a cap block or some sorta load bearing base and backfill it with the clay and call it a day, eh?

Driving piles?  Reminds me of Venice; it's lasted.

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Re: whack em stack em cabin idears
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2017, 08:14:55 am »
Driven piles use side friction to resist load. They stop driving when the blow count and movement per blow is correct for the load... above my pay grade.

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« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2017, 09:08:08 am »
My thing is, if te clay soil gets real wet and slushy, I think it’ll be conducive to settling
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« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2017, 08:36:08 pm »
I was thinking, cedar usually has a decent taper to it.  If I was to jam em in the ground small end first, then the taper oughta help hold he structure up more betterly, no?  Now my next thought, would that make the poles want to move up with a frost heave then?
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« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2017, 12:37:38 pm »
Well you want to have a bigger foot print to support the weight not the other way round. That is why they bell pist footings
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« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2017, 09:20:02 pm »
Well you want to have a bigger foot print to support the weight not the other way round. That is why they bell pist footings


That makes sense to me to a certain degree.  For example say 8” of surface on the bottom end is enough to support the weight..then use a pole with 8” on the small end and push it into the ground.  The 8” would be enough on the bottom to support the weight and the taper would act like a wedge to help create frictional resistance, no?  If I sharpened the end to help sink it, then I guess the advantage of using the large end at the bottom is that after the sharp point it has more surface area to hold the weight. 
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« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2017, 10:00:52 pm »
Clay at 1500 psf allowable
8" dia footing =.35 square feet x 1500psf=523lbs/ pier allowable. You would about need to line em up at that footprint.

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« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2017, 06:17:04 am »
Only charge me a small daily fee? :D

I think he'll sign with you, except you left out the "r" in that last word.

Kinda like the (shocking as it is) difference between lighting and lightning…
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« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2017, 01:03:26 pm »
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Kinda like the (shocking as it is) difference between lighting and lightning…
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