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Snake ID
« on: October 23, 2017, 07:18:24 pm »
Can any of you help me identify what kinda snake this is?  Looks like a baby.  I'm in rattlesnake country btw if that helps, of upstate ny.


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Re: Snake ID
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2017, 07:46:07 pm »
Not sure what it is but I donít think itís poisonous. Maybe just the photo angle but the head doesnít look right for a rattlesnake.

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Re: Snake ID
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2017, 08:01:30 pm »
No I dont think its a rattler either.  It had some heck of an attitude too, coiled right up and started biting my uncle when he was trying to pick it up
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Re: Snake ID
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2017, 08:14:29 pm »
Looks like a juvenile black rat snake... but juvenile snakes can be a little tough for id.

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Re: Snake ID
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2017, 09:00:19 pm »
Looks like a juvenile black rat snake... but juvenile snakes can be a little tough for id.


I looked them up, looks exactly right, thank you!
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Re: Snake ID
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2017, 09:54:03 pm »
I didn't think we had rat snakes in ny    i thought it was a small milk snake

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Re: Snake ID
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2017, 11:59:20 pm »
Cute little baby black snake, I've been finding them every where right now. Had to save a teach from one a few weeks back, it had made its way into her room. It wasn't very happy when I first approached it, but after I picked it up it calmed right down and was trying its best to pull all the heat out of my finger that it could. The next snake showed up before my shift started and it wasn't so lucky. I also just pulled a pencil sized grass snake from out of the cafeteria tonight. 
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Re: Snake ID
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2017, 03:47:52 pm »
Looks like a juvenile black rat snake... but juvenile snakes can be a little tough for id.

 I agree, there's a type of King snake that looks similar but that looks like a young black rat snake to me.
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Re: Snake ID
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2017, 06:39:16 pm »
Welp we've seen 5 of these little buggers in the past two days.  Been picking them up and warming them up.  Their little teeth haven't been able to puncture our skin (yet).  Yawl are good..  There is a snake doctor guy two houses up from the sawmill and he gave me positive ID on them being a juevenille rat snake Elaphe obsoleta. 
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Re: Snake ID
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2017, 07:18:42 pm »
So now you have no rats or mice then.  :D
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2017, 07:27:38 pm »
I wish!  I had a mouse or something die somewhere buried in the cab of the cat.  It stunk to the high heavens for a good while in there at least a few weeks.  Can still kinda smell it.  And the best part was I had one die somewhere in the house too that I couldn't find during a similar time period so for awhile all I was smelling was dead mice. 


Last summer I had a youth black rat snake hanging around the mill for a couple weeks and I kept picking him up and putting him inside the main tube of the sawmill to go get any mice in there.  He would come out while I'm sawing and I'd do all I could to not step on him.  He'd hide in my lumber piles and surprise me too.  It was fun while it lasted.  I much prefer the rat snakes over the rattle snakes...have seen too many of them around the mill as well.
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Re: Snake ID
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2017, 05:46:14 am »
Snakes are lazy, Don't have time to grow hands and feet.  :D
Maybe you need a mill cat.  ;D
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Re: Snake ID
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2017, 10:13:20 pm »
In my experience the poison snakes in my area has chubby cheeks.
If the head is the same size as the body then they are not poison.
So if the head is kinda diamond shape keep away...
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2017, 10:21:45 am »
All of the native poisonous snake in North America, except the coral snake, have vertically elliptical pupils (if you care to get close enough to look).

  It is a little blurry so it may not show up well but this yellow rat snake that is eating a small rabbit has round pupils.
 

  If any of you have the ability to zoom in on this water moccasin, you may be able to see the difference in the pupils.  I have some better pictures of their eyes but they are not in my gallery.
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Re: Snake ID
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2017, 10:39:49 am »
was talking to a guy this morning that lives in rattle snake country and he told me that about 30years ago a guy killed one with a rock to its head a few hours later he started getting sick and found a red spot on his chest after going to the doc they dug part of the fang out of his chest  :o  :-\

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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2017, 12:46:59 am »
 Here's a small snake my dad found the other day, I believe its a young pygmy rattle snake. The head definitely has that pit viper look. I've personally never came across one here in Mo, the only rattle snakes I've found were timber rattlers.

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Re: Snake ID
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2017, 08:35:55 am »
I have no idea especially about the snake's coloration pattern and I could not see the snake's head well enough.  A pygmy rattlesnake would have rattles.
 

 
 

 
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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2017, 11:20:10 am »
sure looks like a pygmy to me.   

 
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Re: Snake ID
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2017, 12:38:49 pm »
It's been a lot of years but I remember being at the Boy Scout Camp I think it was near or on Lake Wappapello in Missouri and several of the pigmy rattlers being found.
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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2017, 02:34:43 pm »
sure looks like a pygmy to me.   

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 Yup that looks identical. It was a very young snake so it probably just hadn't made rattles on its tail yet.
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« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2017, 03:23:02 pm »
It's been a lot of years but I remember being at the Boy Scout Camp I think it was near or on Lake Wappapello in Missouri and several of the pigmy rattlers being found.

U of Mo summer camp was just west of Wappapello, and yes, snake heaven.
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