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Offline pinefeller

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Re: Husqvarna 154se?
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2017, 09:29:52 pm »
my most productive saw is a 385 running an 18'' bar n 8 tooth sprocket its like chopping with a lazer beam  ;D o just cant wield it all day. 372 is pretty disappointing power to weight ratio. but my little 562xpg  is my go to. kudos to husky on that saw, just enough power to bury an 18 inch bar with full comp in hardwood and handles like a Porsche. i average 1.5 gal fuel consumption a day with that saw and im not junk by the end of the day. i ran (3) 359's before that (all threw wrist pin clips and smoked jugs) and they just didnt quite have the meat in hardwood but fine in saw log sized pine/hw pulp. 'course im only a buck fifty soakin wet might have somethin to do with it too  :D
It very well could be! It's more of a personal thing anyway what works for you may not work for me and vice versa. I personally feel I get more done with a 372 class saw but that's just me. I know a guy who is retired now but up until a few years ago logged full time and he cut just as much as I do and he used 346xps
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Re: Husqvarna 154se?
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2017, 09:59:30 pm »
Working in cut and skid on piecework rate  in soft wood tree length, requires a saw productive enough to cut the stump near ground level plus be ergonomic and light enough to limb and top all day.

You need low stumps for the skidder operator and those low stumps require power.
562XP -18" would be a good choice but the latest MS362CM ll which is almost a pound lighter would be a even better choice.
But wait a year and get the 73cc MS462 CM which weighs the same as the 562XP and you will have a saw that will break all your production records in soft wood cut and skid.
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Re: Husqvarna 154se?
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2017, 10:10:04 pm »
My best production cut and skid saw was a early 85cc Stihl 064-18"b/c.
No problem wielding it all day feeding  2 skidders but I was in my late 20's and felt no pain :D
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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2017, 10:36:04 pm »
You not young and bulletproof either? :D
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Re: Husqvarna 154se?
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2017, 06:43:24 am »
Interesting twist to the 145se conversation! One of the Loggers I support is also testing the Chinese MS660's I build for fun. As I've gotten older and there is a "pain" factor to every descision, I've adapted the attitude of smaller, lighter, less vibration are things that make my day in the woods with a saw better...562's with 20in light weight bars are the replacement for my 372's. And the saw I'm building for (selfishly) myself is based on a 555 (a 562 with a small mount) based build....lighter yet. Love the 254 series for the same reason...but back to "Matt" the logger. I build saws, he breaks them, I learn how to build a better saw....thats the cycle. He LOVED the "Farmer Jones" hopped up 660 pulling an 8 pin sprocket on his 24" inch Oregon Power Match bars....I took it back because its my fun a games to "tease a famous Husqvarna friend" saw...( I run it with a 8 pin and 20" Total Lite bar) He ( Matt ) was up miffed I wasn't giving that saw back. SO I decided to build him another. With a more sophisticated build, more torque, all that blah blah blah folk who like modded saws pontificate about. Getting to the point.  All his saws have 24" bars. He bore cuts everything. Have to understand this fellow might be 5' 6'. Bull Strong. Runs his saws in NY Hardwood 24-7. So eventually I got around to trying to sell him on the 562 concept. He wasn't interested....even a little. Turns out his limbing saw is the 14K No Load Husqvarna 385 I built him a while back...with a 24" bar. And an eight pin sprocket. Message? To those who insist there is a right way...only one right way...nope. Every one has something that works for them. I've learned over the years that first, there are no shortage of smart people. Second while there might be a "established way", there is always a guy like Logger Matt who goes another way, successfully; SO I listen. And learn his ways..try to adjust my builds to help...and appreciate his success. :).

But back to the 154? 254's are awesome. Bob's 154; for some reason seem snappier.
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Re: Husqvarna 154se?
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2017, 01:14:34 pm »
Good post Walter!
This was my niche in 1979 - '80 when I was 21 years old.
After running  Jonsereds 621 80 90s for 6 years prior there was a new futuristic saw on the market, a Jonsereds 910E.
It was 87cc and weighed 15 lbs, about a 1/2 lb heavier then todays 372XP. Best power to weight ratio big cube saw ever seen before.
 Not until 7 years later was the title broken with the Stihl 064AV.
These were the days before Electrolux swallows up Jonsereds and there was a 100cc 910E in development. But of course as history goes a year later when Electrolux takes over... the 100cc prototype model was a threat to the sales of the company's poplar 99cc Husqvarna 2100...so the Jonsered 100cc was cancelled.

Anyway enough of the history of the saw. My history back then in 1979-80 goes like this with the 910E.
Some of my smallest timber like pictured below of small diameter black spruce that I cut for my skidder operator was put in the landing treelength limbed and topped at 3.5 inches.
These spruce in the pic were actually 35-40 feet after topped at 3.5". Wasn't alot of limbing as there wasn't many limbs when topped at 3.5".
This wood we made good money in because our IWA unionized pay rate went up for the shorter treelength wood to make a cord. Compensated for production lost in longer bigger diameter wood.

I was running the 910E with a 16 inch bar with 73LP chain. Cut the stumps near ground level for ease of the skidder. Just clean thick moss on the ground so chain stayed sharp for a long time. Just needed a light touchup at lunch break.
I would zip through the spruce and before it hit the ground I would throw it into straight laid and butt square bunches along my face of the strip. In this thick wood I could bunch up to 6 trees a bunch.
My skidder operator would be behind me back blading the limbs when I was topping .
Every load I was there to help my partner pull out the mainline and help him choke up right to the last choker.
Then the cycle started all over again.
Our smallest wood was 25-30 ft tree length and we had to hustle, our average scale in this wood in a 40 hour week was 150 cords (30 cords a day) over 500 trees a day.
Best 5 day 40 hour scale was 305 cords in bigger 50-55 ft and over wood piled at the landing.
 

  

  

 
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Re: Husqvarna 154se?
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2017, 04:18:03 pm »
yeah buddy!!!! i bet a dollar for dollar  a MOTIVATED chopper puts down more wood for less coin than a mechanical crew. i really get into the nuts and bolts of being efficient and find a certain satisfaction when your running your equipment at 100% efficiency and you got the right tool for the job. really good posts guys even if we are veering off a little lol. x2 on holmen trees posts at 35 im startin to feel it now :) bottom line: theres something to be said for small sharp saws and a good operator!
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Re: Husqvarna 154se?
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2017, 06:41:30 pm »
That's impressive holmen! I have had some good weeks in the past but I can't touch that especially in those little trees! I'd  get over a hundred cord a week every now and then but it's rare and in big wood. Pinesfaller around here the most money you can make per dollar invested is one man 2 saws and a cable skidder. I have recently started to see this getting more mechnised.
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Re: Husqvarna 154se?
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2017, 07:35:57 pm »
Cut and skid in pine,spruce, fir takes a faller and skidder operator working as a team. Like I explained both guys help either out and with experience you can put up alot of wood.
I never logged hardwood but what I can see it would be slower going as limbing would become bucking.

In my logging area our ground is flat, very little slope and with -20 to -30 below F winters with 2 feet of snow really helps in the skidding and limbing department..
 Our company had a policy each 2 man crew had to produce 20 cord a day in any size wood. But I had bad feelings for the company how they pushed the transition to mechanical harvesting in the early 1990's.  They kept the cut and skid crews in the pulpwood and put the feller bunchers and grapple skidders in the saw log timber.
Then when the cut and skid crews were gone they were crying the bunchers couldn't cut the oversize wood so they brought some of the fallers back. And what a crock that was as the fallers were getting ripped off on their scale then ended up on hourly.
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« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2017, 10:40:43 pm »
yep thats me or was anyhow, hand faller on a mechanical crew. now im the one guy, three saws and a cable skidder. ;D i do sub out for a tree company that pays me well to run their skidder/chop solo on urban logging jobs % or hourly depending on job. he keeps trying to get me on his tree crew full time, but i need the flexibility. i do miss the company. i do about 1-1.2 mbf or crd/hr with a 540 sized machine.
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