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Offline BurkettvilleBob

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Opinions on Deutz engines???
« on: September 26, 2017, 07:45:36 am »
What's the verdict on the five cylinder Deutz air cooled engine? I've heard people mention good power and the importance of keeping them clear of debris. Longevity, parts availability etc......?

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Re: Opinions on Deutz engines???
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2017, 08:40:56 am »
I had a couple Liebher 921 trackhoes that had the Deutz air cooled engine.  They might have been 6 cyl.  I don't remember.   They were good engines.  Parts were hard to get here in north Miss where i live.  Had to go to the delta to find parts.  This was pre internet days.  May be easier to get now.  Make sure you keep the alarm hooked up to the belt.  If it breaks or comes off (belt) your enginwill overheat in a heartbeat.   Banjo
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Re: Opinions on Deutz engines???
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2017, 10:38:18 am »
we've been running a loader with a 2 cyl deutz from the 70's in it. turning hyd pumps front and rear. its fogging for mosquitos but I'm amazed. trying to find another or parts to rebuild it, that one seems to be very simple but quite an engine.

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Re: Opinions on Deutz engines???
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2017, 10:49:51 am »
I remember seeing them in Pacific and Autocar logging trucks, they seemed reliable enough but were some noisy starting on cold mornings. They never caught on with the truckers and disappeared.
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Re: Opinions on Deutz engines???
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2017, 11:48:20 am »
Good engines.

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Re: Opinions on Deutz engines???
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2017, 01:04:24 pm »
Got one in our farm tractor (DX160). Starts well without hiccups, runs very smoothly, uses small amounts of fuel, and in general works well. Parts is another story and I don't look forward to something going wrong. I second the reminder to keep belts in good order and keep fan area and fins clean. It has been reliable for us though.
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Re: Opinions on Deutz engines???
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2017, 02:43:35 pm »
The only one I was ever around was a 4 cylinder, or maybe it was 3, I don't remember. It was in an asphalt roller. Not the same workload as a skidder or other piece of forestry equipment, but it was a heck of a good engine. A little smoky on cold starts, it cleaned up and then it ran great. It was really easy on fuel as well. I don't believe I ever had a single problem with it, over about 8 seasons of use. As far as I know, 6 years later it's still out there doing it's thing. I know we updated with a new roller, same model redesigned, it had a Kubota diesel in it and a higher frequency vibratory system that drew more hp, and that machine went through noticeably more fuel- I'm guessing twice as much.
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Re: Opinions on Deutz engines???
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2017, 02:59:29 pm »
got a 5 banger in the c5d, 10k hrs starts beautifully. out pulls a 540 deer, sips fuel 5 gal/day
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Re: Opinions on Deutz engines???
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2017, 04:14:13 pm »
For those looking for a possible parts place.  I just checked where I bought mine when i needed something,  an they are still in business.  The place is called Ipsco and is located in Leland Mississippi.   They run irrigation pumps with them just about round the clock.  Banjo
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Re: Opinions on Deutz engines???
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2017, 07:45:57 pm »
From what I hear its a good  motor . I just rebuilt a 4cyl didn't have any problem getting parts

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Re: Opinions on Deutz engines???
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2017, 08:39:06 pm »
Been around those air cooler all my life. What I like most about it that you can do a individual head, jug or piston, without stripping everything down.

Without a water jacket they're definitely harder to start. Good compression and lots of cranking amps help.  :)
 
Parts are not a problem for me, I have a dealership within twenty minutes.  Even if it has to come from Germany they have it in a week.

The only reason the new ones are liquid cooled is, they had to meet the  new standards for noise level and emission.
912 and 913 series  are still being built in Argentina, so they will be around for a bit longer.

We did one four banger with the after market rebuild kit and it's surprisingly still tight, but only has about 700 or 800 hrs on since.   

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Re: Opinions on Deutz engines???
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2017, 09:11:06 pm »
noise is halfway between a deer and a cat starts good down to about ehh...10f without help. need some cold weather to try out the oem flamethrower i fixed this spring....its gotta be a farmer or a jack what else did they come in?
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Re: Opinions on Deutz engines???
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2017, 09:26:04 pm »
Yup Treefarmer, C5, something that was listed on Craigslist last year and came up again. I wanted it last year and now I'm still interested. If I had my druthers I'd probably look for a 540, but they're much more spendy. I like the idea of a cheap skidder that doesn't have a Detroit in it. I just don't know if I could stand the noise, I know my neighbors wouldn't appreciate it! Thanks for the input guys. I may go take a gander at it this weekend.

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Re: Opinions on Deutz engines???
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2017, 09:28:52 pm »
I have a 4 cylinder in a screening plant,turning a 30k,  3 phase generator It has been extremely reliable,starts right up after months of non-use,and runs until you shut it off. Make sure the belt tension shut off works correctly,and take the cylinder head cover off frequently, the mice love to build nests between the heads.
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Re: Opinions on Deutz engines???
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2017, 09:51:55 pm »
Yup Treefarmer, C5, something that was listed on Craigslist last year and came up again. I wanted it last year and now I'm still interested. If I had my druthers I'd probably look for a 540, but they're much more spendy. I like the idea of a cheap skidder that doesn't have a Detroit in it. I just don't know if I could stand the noise, I know my neighbors wouldn't appreciate it! Thanks for the input guys. I may go take a gander at it this weekend.

that is precisely why i have mine! ive ran a 518 grapples (hands down favorite, most comfortable to run and ergonimic) 640d (second favorite, most productive) 540b (waste of time,too small for seroius production without beating it to death, very expensive to repair) and my c5 with a deutz. (good balance of power,economy production, ease of maint and  price for my part time use. and did i mention they are built like a brick ... uhhhh well you know. they make deers look like a tacoma parked next to  semi truck side by side.. very well made and simple they just have little quirks you have to get used to like no propriety valving so you cant steer and run the blade at the same time and they are stick so you have to be patient decking and skidding. best bang for the buck though.
we the willing, led by the unknowing,are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. we have done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.

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Re: Opinions on Deutz engines???
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2017, 10:02:03 pm »
Just curious how much oil your 5 cylinder Duetzs are burning in a day?

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Re: Opinions on Deutz engines???
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2017, 10:21:35 pm »
0 between 200hr oil changes, but i seem to have a pretty low hour engine. on every other skidder ive ran, 1 gal for every 100hrs
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Re: Opinions on Deutz engines???
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2017, 06:15:24 am »
I have a C5D with 5 speed & 5 cyl Deutz. Mine has a Esco arch & I changed out the grapple with one from a 640 JD. We do some chipping & the large grapple does real good for skidding tops to the chipper. Mine has been very dependable & cheap to run.

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Re: Opinions on Deutz engines???
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2017, 01:05:55 pm »
Mine is close to that.  Everyone running 15/40 oil?

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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2017, 05:59:46 pm »
isn't close to that