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Offline WV Sawmiller

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Sawmill warning to all users
« on: September 11, 2017, 05:11:15 pm »
   If you have a mill that you are happy with do not attempt to operate a bigger mill with more power and more options than your current mill provides. Doing so can lead to anxiety issues and attacks of nocturnal drooling.

   I had a new client call several weeks back. He is a surgeon in Wisconsin but they own a home and land here in the county that his ancestors owned. He told me he had an LT50 HD diesel mill he needed help in learning how to use. I advised him I'd be glad to help but that his mill had several features I was not experienced with. He came down this week and I went to help him this morning.

   In addition to the mill the client had a big Bobcat 750 with a grapple attachment. We looked over the mill which he had set up very well. He did not know what the band on the mill was so we decided to start with a pine log for stickers. His log pile had pine, WO, RO, Poplar and Hemlock.

   The log turned out to be pretty punky and the blade was dull and I tended to try to run too fast with all that power and auto clutch. Lacking the manual blade engage function and the manual arm I was used to using I did not have my grab bar to hold on to while sawing and resting my hand on the control panel meant I'd nudge the speed controller by mistake. I got a blade hung and we had to take it out so was able to show the  client how to use wedges.

   We opened his new box of 10 degree double hard blades and put one one then loaded a nice red oak on to make some 12.5" wide 6/4 stair treads and 4/4 side lumber. We got about 150 bf of pretty nice lumber including some very pretty, naturally occurring quartersawn boards.

    The differences I noted on the LT50 over my LT35 included:

1. Autoclutch - much easier to engage/disengage but I needed to learn what to do with my right hand without my "Grab bar".

2. Auto blade guide open/close - very nice function.

3. Log turning chain - added an extra toggle on the hydraulics row in the center. Just need to learn more about which direction to rotate the chain in the direction wanted and also also to use the clamp more to lift/turn cants or use a mill special Logrite to avoid chain damage to the face of the cant. I like the chain better than the claw on my current mill.

4.  Blade access panel - one feature I like better on my mill. Mine opens simply on hinges instead of removing panels. The extra head support rail is no doubt required for the heavier engine makes necessary. This is an area for potential design improvement IMHO.

5. Accuset II vs Simpleset - computes the kerf for you in board cuts. I still had to do some quick math on 2nd face to get the cant to the width of my desired finished boards and I still used my cheat sheet for my starting point on the 4th face. I am sure there are other functions there that would have done this for me if I had known more about how to use them. I can see where the auto up function could be used to help in this issue.

6. More power - great but just need to learn to use it better.

   Bottom line - if you have a manual mill don't try one with hydraulics. If you have occasional power issues on your gas mill don't try a mill with a big diesel engine. Don't try a mill with Auto clutch or auto bar guide or you will be dreaming about getting one the rest of your life.
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Re: Sawmill warning to all users
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2017, 05:32:18 pm »
A day or too running a manual mill is the cure for what ails you.  A quote from WM on an LT50 might work too.
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Re: Sawmill warning to all users
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2017, 05:58:27 pm »
WV, the function on pattern mode will end all factors of the mind game,  they have 16 programmable settings for each,, auto up, auto down, and pattern,, once the numbers are saved,, there is nothing but dust from here on out,,and yes there is a learning curve ;D  but once one has it,, its over for the logs,,maximum yields, very little waste,  they are sweet,, the 3 phase 70 I ran ruined me, I'm sure my 40 super was like," I'm not a 70!!" 
only have a few chain saws I'm not suppose to use, but will at times, one dog Dolly, pretty good dog, just not sure what for yet,  working on getting the gardening back in order, and kinda thinking on maybe a small bbq bizz,  thinking about it,

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Re: Sawmill warning to all users
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2017, 06:13:08 pm »
   My LT35 is suffering from depression because of my trip today. I am thinking about painting over the 3 on the cover to make it into an 8 to make him think he has been upgraded to an LT85 and give him a big ego boost. :D
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Re: Sawmill warning to all users
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2017, 06:19:00 pm »
   My LT35 is suffering from depression because of my trip today. I am thinking about painting over the 3 on the cover to make it into an 8 to make him think he has been upgraded to an LT85 and give him a big ego boost. :D

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Re: Sawmill warning to all users
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2017, 07:39:18 pm »
The LT70 has a single post mast like your LT35.
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Re: Sawmill warning to all users
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2017, 07:45:52 pm »
I have seen pictures of a prototype LT 80 but it was a very long time ago
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Re: Sawmill warning to all users
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2017, 08:15:19 pm »
Don't feel bad I spent two years on an LT-70 with all the options, three phase, then to my homebuilt. When I feel abused I remember my buddy spent about $50.000 I spent $500 and they do the same thing mine just takes a little longer. Frank C.
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Re: Sawmill warning to all users
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2017, 08:21:13 pm »
Going bigger is always fun. I went from an old 40 manual to a 40 hd to the 40 supper.
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Re: Sawmill warning to all users
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2017, 08:57:13 pm »
Well I hope he is paying you for the time you're losing at home dreaming about his mill.
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Re: Sawmill warning to all users
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2017, 09:34:34 pm »
I got to run my buddy's LT35 for a month last year.
I loved it. LOVE the hydraulics!!

But for my weekend warrior antics my ol Norwood 2000 gets the job done just fine.

But then again if I had a pocket full of disposable income...
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Re: Sawmill warning to all users
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2017, 09:48:44 pm »
Stay in good with him. Maybe he'll decide it's not for him and let you just have it lol

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Re: Sawmill warning to all users
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2017, 09:10:35 pm »
Hell, I went from a sawmill shaped object ( keener built) to a lt 40 hyd with a 33hp kubota, to the biggest, baddest mill baker makes. I'm spoilt and I know it, now I hate running my wm.
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Re: Sawmill warning to all users
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2017, 09:34:20 pm »
Baker is a very good mill.
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Re: Sawmill warning to all users
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2017, 09:47:31 pm »
JB,

   If you hate running that WM so bad now I coul help by giving it a new home here where you won't have to look at it every day. :D

    Haven't seen one of those Bakers yet but have never heard anything but good good reports from them.
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Re: Sawmill warning to all users
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2017, 11:32:52 pm »
I went from an EZ Boardwalk manual 13hp gas to an LT40 Super 51hp diesel. I sawed no telling how many bf with the EZ. Probably close to a couple hundred thousand BF. However, today I sawed 35 16' 2x4''s in about 90 minutes. Close to $300. Well, more closer to $200. Best decision I've made in a while. PostonLT40 would be proud. I don't think I'll ever need anything bigger. Aw heck, I want the 70 in a couple years.
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Re: Sawmill warning to all users
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2017, 12:23:36 am »
Here's an LT80 in action. And no, I don't expect you to watch the whole video.

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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2017, 07:23:01 am »
I have had the good fortune of starting off with my LT40 super Kabota . prior to that I ran most versions of the LT40 etc. So for me it takes a little more to get me excited . And the LT70 super hyd. does that . I got to see a young guy run one flat out and just stood there in awe ! One thing that always amazes me is seeing what guys do with even the most crude home built mill . I have seen stuff done with a chainsaw mill that is just fantastic .
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Re: Sawmill warning to all users
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2017, 08:38:00 am »
I saw too many oversized logs myself to not watch the entire video and I hate that the video ended before the entire log was sawn.  I wish that I could see that sawmill in person and be able to ask some questions about some of the things that I saw.   ???
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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2017, 09:55:51 am »
   Yep. I had to watch the whole thing too. I did not even know they made an LT80. This was obviously in Europe somewhere. Everybody smoking was typical of the folks I worked with in Afghanistan who came from the Balkans area. I did not think the arms on the mill were long enough to fit under the log. I wonder why they did not keep them raised part way during sawing. Its what I was taught and have seen everyone else do. I did not see him using his debarker either. I cringed when I saw them dragging that pretty slab around with the tractor. I hate to think of the dirt and gravel they dragged into it.

   That was a huge log. I kept expecting to see them split it into smaller cants and start making boards.
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