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Re: its wood sellin time
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2017, 04:36:50 pm »
I'm in the Seattle area and cords range from $400 to $600 and even more depending on the wood of course.
Still plenty of woodstoves around and people still love the wood heat qualities.
Luckily there are no shortage of trees yet here, but supplies keep getting further out.

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Re: its wood sellin time
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2017, 04:43:32 pm »
I'm in the Seattle area and cords range from $400 to $600 and even more depending on the wood of course.
Still plenty of woodstoves around and people still love the wood heat qualities.
Luckily there are no shortage of trees yet here, but supplies keep getting further out.



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Re: its wood sellin time
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2017, 08:15:34 am »
So....I gotta ask....how do you guys get your processing costs down so you can make a profit at some of the lower price points......even with free trees My labor costs are still about $150 a cord......I guess if I did all the labor then that would be my profit minus gas and wear and tear on equipment.....but it is hot here in Texas and I am old.

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Re: its wood sellin time
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2017, 01:31:36 pm »
I know this is not good to say out loud but I read in a northern logger a while back that a cord of dry wood heats as much as 215 gallons of propane (most common source of heat where I live. right now propane is at 1.34 a gallon. that means a cord of wood heats as much as $288 of propane. so why would you buy a cord of wood for $315 when you could watch the propane guy fill up the tank have no work or mess and be money ahead? what am I missing? I think its great if you can get this much out of your wood but when you guys talk those high prices I don't understand. that would never fly around here (unfortunately). maybe its the "green" movement or for the excersise??  :o

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  Sorry it took a while to get back to ya.  Quick and easy answer, I try and sell to what the market can or will handle.  There is no way I'd buy a cord of seasoned  / dry wood, EVER!  I try to get my regular customers to buy green wood and season it for a year.  The folks that want the dry wood will be paying me for a years worth of storage...

  We didn't sell as much wood last year, with low oil and propane prices, as in previous years.  I expect to be a bit better this year, and oil and gas are heading up.  We just got topped off with propane (hot water, cooking, b/u to the wood stove) we paid $1.91 a gallon and get a pretty good discount since we're tied in with the farm and they use a lot of propane.  That may be part of the reason we get a bit more a cord? 

  I know one guy that sells kiln dried stuff, pretty sure he starts out at $335 a cord!
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Re: its wood sellin time
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2017, 01:34:15 pm »
So....I gotta ask....how do you guys get your processing costs down so you can make a profit at some of the lower price points......even with free trees My labor costs are still about $150 a cord......I guess if I did all the labor then that would be my profit minus gas and wear and tear on equipment.....but it is hot here in Texas and I am old.
Your labor costs are $150 per cord? Are your guys processing by hand?

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Re: its wood sellin time
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2017, 01:40:17 pm »
So....I gotta ask....how do you guys get your processing costs down so you can make a profit at some of the lower price points......even with free trees My labor costs are still about $150 a cord......I guess if I did all the labor then that would be my profit minus gas and wear and tear on equipment.....but it is hot here in Texas and I am old.

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  $150 a cord seems pretty darn steep.  I am very lucky, my guys / helpers, trade off labor for discounted firewood.  I sell them their cords at or bellow what I pay for the wood.  It works good for them and good for me.  The only real "labor" costs I run into is tossing some money to my dad, he's a big help and doesn't burn wood, and pay a local high school kid or two to stack wood to dry down for next year.  We aren't a super big time operation but we move some wood and I try to keep overhead LOW.  We've put out just under 70 cord so far this year and I figure we'll be somewhere in the 85ish range by the time we call it a season.  Hope that helps.

ps - We process on a Hakki Pilke 1x37 processor.  Not exactly a world stopper, but it beats doin' it by hand.

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« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2017, 06:24:47 pm »
I get about $30-$33 per cord in splitting it. maybe $30/cord delivery (not real sure). wholesale wood is cheaper but my bro delivers a semi of wood for $16 a cord sinse the truck is goin close to the customer any way.  I get the wood for "free" as its a by product of my logging. the landowners seem to like it cause its less mess they have to look at. however I don't pull firewood out of the woods unless its FAST AND EASY. if its not both of those it stays where it lays. I'm already goin to the job but I know my truck drinks extra fuel pullin the gooseneck and 3 or 4 cord of wood. and more wear and tear...heck after all this stuff addin up maybe I'm not chargin enough  ;D.  I would love to charge more but I'm makin a little extra coin which is great when its too wet to log. also I'm already the most expensive around here. its really all relative. I don't sell my wood for as much as some on here can but maybe I don't have the inputs that some on here do. it all prolly comes out in the wash  ;)
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« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2017, 06:42:35 pm »
I figure if they don't want to pay top dollar for 2 year dry now . Someone will in January or Feb. I won't deliver in the winter if they don't want it in the fall they can come get when they run out .
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Re: its wood sellin time
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2017, 06:59:46 pm »
So....I gotta ask....how do you guys get your processing costs down so you can make a profit at some of the lower price points......even with free trees My labor costs are still about $150 a cord......I guess if I did all the labor then that would be my profit minus gas and wear and tear on equipment.....but it is hot here in Texas and I am old.
You say your labour cost is 150 a cord. please explain. It takes 1 hr to process a cord by myself. It takes a couple of min to put the 1/3 cord vented bag away with the loader, and a couple of min to put it on the customers truck. My expense is 220 a cord to get it to my place,(5 hr drive) then add investment, processor, tractors support equipment, fuel  repairs chains oil etc labour,The less manual labour the greater the return. then the dirty word PROFIT :D If i cant make a good profit why would I do it. We sell for $475 a cord.
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Re: its wood sellin time
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2017, 07:45:08 pm »
So....I gotta ask....how do you guys get your processing costs down so you can make a profit at some of the lower price points......even with free trees My labor costs are still about $150 a cord......I guess if I did all the labor then that would be my profit minus gas and wear and tear on equipment.....but it is hot here in Texas and I am old.

Are you counting in bagging Woodshax
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« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2017, 11:22:13 am »
Yes,  Bagging as well.  My only processing automation is a wood splitter, skid steer for moving totes, a bagging table we made and a bundler we made

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« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2017, 11:36:01 am »
So it is a toss up for me.....invest in a processor, conveyor and more automated bagging equipment or take the higher costs and pay for split wood at 18 inches in totes or dino bags at $225- 250 a full cord and then another $50 to $75 a cord to bag.  We will do about 200 cords this year with 75% being bagged in 2 CF by volume bags and the other 25% as .75 cuft bundles...... then they are delivered to State parks and stocked.... but price to the camper is about $1200 a cord so the delta is still pretty good but could be better if we automated the entire process

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Re: its wood sellin time
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2017, 12:07:07 pm »
How many cord a day are your people putting up Woodshax?
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« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2017, 03:08:49 pm »
Depends on the wood source ......wood lots with free wood we can cut down cut split and bag and transport about 2.5 cords a week

Log length about 4 cords a week

Already cut and split (with resplitting some larger cuts) 4 cords a day....but most of the summer it is over 100 degrees here every day so if I have them out too long or too many days in a row they are liable to catch fire

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« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2017, 06:45:26 pm »
Sorry woodshax did not realize you were doing small bags.  When we do it we have the vented bag beside the packer, from there to a pallet, put 15 per pellet more than that seems to just fall off. I had 2 cord done up for him he gets payed a $1 per bag and he did 120 bags (bags are $1.25 each) in 5 hours. We did it by the bag so the faster they work the more they make a hr. We are not sure if we will continue with the bags,    we do sell them for $13 for the bigger bag, the packer is 2 ft long by 13 inch wood. It is about 66 bags to the cord .So we do better  but dont sell many bags. We dont do any deliverys if they want wood they stop at the  farm and pick it up. All depends if we can get Jack pine in , small logs, most of the time 1 split. They are to0 difficult to pick up with the forks, want to fall off  etc, and if we do birch we would fill the bags only half full or they would be too heavy, would be about 60 lbs, the bags may not take that.
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« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2017, 06:36:05 pm »
$275 per cord for seasoned birch up here in AK.. 5 cord an hour peak production on a 48" Cord King..