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Re: Still making benches
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2017, 02:16:22 pm »
Are corners left square or a bit of a rounding to keep them from leaving a mark?
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Re: Still making benches
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2017, 02:43:22 pm »
Bowing the scraper keeps the corners out. I round the corners and burnish for final scraping, though.

Never bought a scraper; always made one from things on hand.
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Re: Still making benches
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2017, 04:30:14 pm »
   Took a load to the local flea market today and sold 3 then dropped another off at an antique place on consignment to replace one she recently sold for me.

   One customer bought 2 heavy/4" thick prototypes that I tried but no longer make. I was glad to get rid of them and can use the space and make more now. One thing I see I need to do is get a can of furniture polish to dust and shine the finished benches especially the walnut ones.

   For transport and storage I find the 4' benches nest well between the legs of the 6' benches. I assume all would nest in 8' ones but that seems longer than most people want to buy.
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Re: Still making benches
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2017, 06:38:27 pm »
I use cabinet scrapers
They work great
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Re: Still making benches
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2017, 08:13:39 pm »
   I cut some live edge slabs out of a chestnut oak at my son's place last week. The log had a serious curve in it and I cut 4-2" slabs out of it then cut some 3X3's out of a 9" log for legs. Cut the legs to 22" long, put them in my vice, rounded off the corners with my drawknife then cut tenons on the end with my lumberjack tenon cutter. The wood actually cut much easier than I was expecting. One of the slabs cracked badly when I trimmed it on the radial arm saw and I likely won't use it. Below is one of 3 I have made so far. I still need to finish them. I did get some cabinet scrapers and am liking the results. I sand the bench with 80 grit sandpaper on a belt sander then scrape with the scraper to help remove any high spots.

   I think I will hold out and sell these as a set because they are just aching to encircle an outdoor fire pit. I can see a family with kids sitting on them toasting marshmallows for smores or hot dogs.
 

 
These make a real nice circle when put together.
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Re: Still making benches
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2017, 08:22:51 pm »
Very cool.
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Re: Still making benches
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2017, 07:20:32 pm »
   I finished sanding all 3 of the curved benches as last shown. Used my 3X21 inch belt sander with 80 then 120 grit belts then cleaned the dust off and painted and 3 with a good coat of polyurethane and left them drying in the shed. I did not try finishing with tung oil or linseed oil like I do with my walnut or cherry and some of my ash benches. I will see what they look like in the morning. The can says one coat is all that is needed but I will see if it looks like I need another coat. I plan to take them to a flea market Saturday and advertise them as a set. They do make a nice circle.
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Re: Still making benches
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2017, 12:54:04 am »
I cut a curved Bench like yours.  I call it my Thinkin Bench. ;D Got it next to the Mill sitting on to Halves of a stump.
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Re: Still making benches
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2017, 08:27:17 pm »
   I took a load of benches to 2 flea markets this weekend. First one was a bust - lots of lookers, oohs and aaahs and people taking pictures saying they are sending them to a friend, spouse or relative but probably taking them home to try to make some themselves. Some even said "Oh, those are easy to make." They are if you have a sawmill, logs, tenon cutter, vice, a large high torque drill to run it, belt sander and time to finish them.

   Today I sold a couple. The most rewarding was just a small unfinished bench made from an ash crotch. A lady saw it and fell in love with it for a coffee table. I never thought of using one that way but should work well. She also wants me to make her a couple of matching end tables out of live edge, 2" ash. Only difference is the size and height. She is to call back with the sizes.

   One thing I noticed on my set of 3 curved benches as shown above, was that they want to tip over because he center of balance is so much off center. I decided to re-work them and brought them home and added a 5th leg in the center on the back side of the curve. I made 3 new legs from my bench leg stock and cut new mortises and installed them and trimmed the excess on top and put back on the mill and cut the new leg to the same length and angle as the others. They are much more stable now and I am no longer reluctant to sell them. I just could not stand the thought some kid might get hurt on one of them.

   When I went to sand the top around the new leg with my 3" X 21" belt sander I found the polyurethane gummed up in places. I finally ended re-sanding the whole bench. I will re-do the polyurethane later. I ran out of daylight with 2 more benches to re-finish.

   Is there an easier or better way to remove the polyurethane? Sanding a small bench like that is not an overwhelming task but...

    Any suggestions or advice on refinishing the other 2 benches?
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Re: Still making benches
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2017, 09:15:02 pm »
Re-finishing is one of the advantages of using Tung Oil because the finish is in the wood rather than on the wood.
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Re: Still making benches
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2017, 09:52:53 pm »
Lynn,

   Are you suggesting that I sand the other 2 benches then use Tung oil instead of Polyurethane next time? I don't know what Tung oil looks like on Chestnut oak. I know it does great on Cherry and Black walnut. On ash it gives it  nice shine but not make the same "Pop" that it does on the other 2.

   Ever try it on Chestnut oak? The poly looked good, any idea how Tung oil compares?
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Re: Still making benches
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2017, 10:11:22 pm »
Tung Oil will never have the "built up" glossy shine that Poly gives.  I just happen to prefer the more satin finish that Tung Oil gives, plus the ability to refinish if an accident happens.

It is all that I used back when I was doing woodworking.  I have also seen a few of Danny's benches that he finishes with Tung Oil.   :)

I would finish one with Tung Oil and see how it compares, but you are selling.  You must use what the customers want and that might very well be Poly.
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Re: Still making benches
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2017, 10:23:52 pm »
   These 3 benches were the first time I had used Poly (Except for the quart I poured into my ant nest Cherry Crotch bench which promptly leaked out). I expect there is a very good chance these 3 benches will sell as a set and will be used outside in someone's backyard around a fire ring especially since they are a white oak and more weather resistant than the other woods I have been using. I want to be sure to use the treatment that will hold up the longest/best under those conditions. Suggestions?
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Re: Still making benches
« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2017, 07:41:57 am »
Poly will not hold up outside in the elements.  Spar varnish is better.  However, both will turn black over time and peel.  100% pure tung oil will impede water penetration into the wood and can be easily re-applied as additional coats over time to maintain the finish.  The more oil the wood can soak up, the better the weather resistance. The wood will darken to a dark gray brown due to exposure to the elements and the UV rays.  Not really anything that you can do about that. 
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Re: Still making benches
« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2017, 05:35:18 pm »
Danny,

   Thanks for the info. I went ahead and sanded the other 2 today and put the first coast of pure Tung oil on. If first appearances hold true it promises to leave a real nice finish. There is a good but of quartersawn figure showing on the benches. I'll put a few more coats on over the next few days.
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Re: Still making benches
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2017, 09:41:17 pm »
Howard,

I only use Pure Tung Oil that I have to order on-line.  The "Tung Oil Finish" that I can get locally only has a very little bit of tung oil in it plus a bunch of other stuff.  This is where I get it.

https://www.realmilkpaint.com/shop/oils/pure-tung-chinawood/
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« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2017, 07:20:29 am »
Danny,

   Thanks for the source. I'll check them out for my next re-supply.
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Re: Still making benches
« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2017, 07:55:00 pm »
   There's a big 3 day flea market coming up with potentially lots of upscale clients so my son suggested I take a load of benches over. I figured I needed more stock so spent the day working on making some more ash benches.
 

 
   I cut up a bunch of 3X3's into 21" leg blanks. On the right is a stack of cherry quarter round leg blanks awaiting tenons. The drill has the Lumberjack tenon cutter attached and a blank is in the vice for trimming. Everything is sitting on a stand I built on to the front of my pole barn mostly for planing lumber. I added a power plug right behind the stand. Behind and to the left you can see, Blackjack, my quality control department manager inspecting the operation.
 

 
I clamp a leg into the vice then partially round off one end with a drawknife so the tenon cutter will slip over. I built a few then stopped and sharpened both the drawknife and tenon cutter blades using my little Dremel tool type chain saw sharpener. They both cut much better when sharp.
 

 
The next step is to cut the tenon on the end while the leg is still in the vice. My cutter leaves a 3" long X 1.5" dia peg with a 60 degree shoulder as shown.
 

 
This took several hours but I finally finished 7 sets of legs before I ran out of blanks and stopped.
 

 
I moved my 3 piece curved oak set out of the shed and added another coat of Tung oil finish. Note the 5th leg I added at the back side of the curve because of the off center balance. Without this extra leg these benches wanted to tip over backward.
 

 
Next i went to my stock and selected some 2" thick X 14' long X 15"-18" wide live edge ash slabs and cut 4-3' long pieces. This left a 2' long piece I need for a future project.
 

 
I next painted the fresh cut ends with anshorseal.
 

 
One by one I started cutting the 1.5" mortises near each corner angled slightly outward with my drill and a spade bit. As each penetrated they tried to hang reminding me of the dangerous tool thread currently active.
 

 
Blackjack conducts a spot inspection. Actually he and Trigger his horsey companion are eating the white oak acorns as they fall off the overhead tree.
 

 
I glue and insert a set of legs using the baby sledge. If the angle is not quite right I use a large pipe wrench to rotate the leg to a better angle. The tenons and nearly always slightly angled one way or another plus the mortises are hand drilled at the best guestimated angle. The Japanese pull saw is used to trim the excess from the top - another tip from another FF member that works well.
 

 
Shows the typical excess tenon length to be trimmed off.
 

 
I finished 4 benches before I ran out of daylight. Tomorrow morning I will cut the next 14' slab and make 3 more 4' long benches.

    The only step not shown yet is to take the benches to the mill, turn them upside down on the mill, clamp them securely, set the band wide and make one pass at 17" high and this will cut all 4 legs on each bench at exactly the same height and angle.

    They are ready for sale as unfinished or for sanding and staining. One lady bought one like this for a coffee table last week and I'll use the 2' leftover pieces to make her a couple of end tables if she calls back as promised.
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Re: Still making benches
« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2017, 09:22:22 pm »
The middle leg on the curved benches is a nice solution. 
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« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2017, 10:07:53 pm »
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