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Offline TKehl

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Re: Thinking of starting
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2017, 03:53:38 pm »
I hear you.  I ran the numbers on a processor as well.  Hard to justify on a PT basis for what people are willing to pay for a cord.  The other thing is most processors need straight logs and have seen several ads begging for suppliers.  Though it sounds like you may have a large abundance of processor wood available.

Personally, I'll mill the straight logs.  Firewood is what I do with something I can't add more value to (tops and waste slabs). 

I'm building a system similar to (I think) Lopet's system.  Have a trailer to drop poles or slabs on.  Mounted roller conveyor to feed mounted chainsaw (Stihl 066) with helper handle on end of the bar.  Wood drops to either splitter (manual) or old hay conveyor into dump trailer.  I think I'll have about $4k in the whole system and that includes what I paid for both trailers and saw that I already had. 
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Re: Thinking of starting
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2017, 10:33:24 pm »
Firewood is $50 a rick here, everyone sells it.  One guy is as low as $35 a rick.  With prices like that i dont put in hardly any split wood. Almost entirely round limbs 8" down to wrist sized.  I sell all the logs that are tie or better (12") and have been collecting everything thats in the middle and sound for building material.  Leave it lay for a bit, the bark comes right off once the grubs lube it up.  A 10" whole round oak timber is mighty strong.   

I wont waste extra time with splitting more than i have to until ive got a processor and several sheds built.  An acre clearing makes more firewood than i can manage by hand even with selling every sawlog.

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Re: Thinking of starting
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2017, 11:55:17 pm »
Here in my area a cord of hardwood is between $175 and $200

I know a cord is a tight stack 4x4x8
what is a rick?
the guy that stacks it  :D ;D :D
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Re: Thinking of starting
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2017, 08:25:49 am »
Rick is a face cord.. One row, Should be 4x8 x length of pieces but everyones is a little different.  If theyre a little small you ask a little less.  People call any old stack a rick and then dicker til it sells.

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Re: Thinking of starting
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2017, 01:52:25 pm »
thank you.

here in Oregon there is a Law to sell based on the cord, or fraction of a cord.
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Re: Thinking of starting
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2017, 12:17:44 am »
We have the same law in MO.  Didn't change a thing though.   ::)
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Re: Thinking of starting
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2017, 04:57:58 am »
Sorry i disappeared for a bit. Post op wiped me out. Finally getting out n about.

I am curious to see with prices rising of all fuels again...esp with the new war coming, and people becoming more enviromentally involved ie biodiesel on tap, if people actually go back to wood burning.

Everything is so expensive these days. A good daycare here is 700 a mo. I wont put a buncb of effort in firewood, its just hard to waste perfectly good wood. I guess you could use a lot of short pieces for turnings. But i worry too much piddling the wood would go bad on you.

Red oak here doesn't typically get too big, and i was honestly thinking of renting a chipper and makjng oak mulch to pack in the clay to stiffen it up around my pond and make a nice cedar trail around the property. Im sire the deer would like that.

But who knows. My mother n law lives in wash state and she wants wood everything so.

My state isnt very old, and the culture here is indian. So a lot of the terms arent common here. I have never seen a sign that said cords of wood, just ricks.

We did have a huge dustbowl, so most our trees arent that big. And there isnt a lot of old solid wood furniture either, as most were poor farmers or oil field transplants. So peoples perception of what quality here is very low when it comes to furniture.

So i see a future market for things, its just a slow process. Most of the money making is from out of towners who can afford it. From a woodworking prespective.

There are some bbq places tbat buy oak firewood really cheap if you had bulk supply to dump, but unless you got cheap labor i dont see it worth it.

That's why i just want to do as a hobby and for wood working. I love the smells, and its something to keep me busy and away from wife. Lol

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Re: Thinking of starting
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2017, 05:01:41 am »
And a rick here is 4x8x2. So i guess a half cord.

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Re: Thinking of starting
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2017, 04:32:36 pm »
But if it is 16" length, then the face cord is 1/3 cord.  That makes the amount contained in a face cord or rick sorta questionable.  Some states such as Oregon by law requires a cubic foot measurement.  Our most common length is ~18" and it is mostly sold by the "pickup load" which contains approximately 1/3 cord.
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Re: Thinking of starting
« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2017, 11:59:25 am »
Any advertising for firewood in Oregon must state: green or seasoned, volume being sold(cord is 4x4x8), and price. And 16" is pretty common so a rick is 1/3 cord, but you cannot advertise "rick".

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Re: Thinking of starting
« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2017, 07:38:36 am »
Any advertising for firewood in Oregon must state: green or seasoned, volume being sold(cord is 4x4x8), and price. And 16" is pretty common so a rick is 1/3 cord, but you cannot advertise "rick".
Seems to be a law for just about everything these days.  Capturing rain water, disturbing the land (doesn't matter that you own it) and even how you advertise firewood.  Is it just me or are our elected officials working overtime on useless legislation? 
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