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Re: BIRDS
« Reply #900 on: July 19, 2011, 07:20:17 pm »
Saw 2 common moorhen today with about 10 chicks. I've seen about a bazillion coots but no moorhen until today. Even the chicks have red bills.
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« Reply #901 on: July 25, 2011, 03:58:39 pm »
At long last, a pair of eastern bluebirds have begun nesting in our yard bird box this last couple of weeks! I was showing the bird box to our 5yr. old grandson when out flew the female, I had no clue the birds were there. First ever. ;D

Eagles are back fishing the pond morning and evening, when will they bring out their fledglings? Last year seems was late July.

I know everyone must be on pins and needles awaiting the annoucenment of our latest addition to our new bluebird family. Sometime last Saturday one fledgling left the box, apparently one was all they were able to propagate.

From the box to an autumn-olive, to a cypress tree and on to a half dead apple tree the little blue bird was escourted; the parents brought him worms throughout the day and guarded from molesting young mockingbirds. Yesterday [Sunday] the little bird was able to fly fairly well as he headed to a thick cypress just before a thunderstorm hit.

Other than the eagles coming to fish in our lake the bluebirds are the most surprising of all and most welcomed of birds! ;D

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Re: BIRDS
« Reply #902 on: July 25, 2011, 07:58:01 pm »
Michigan's Kirtlandís Warbler benefits from Arbor Day Foundation Grant. The Department of Natural Resources has planted 500,000 trees in the
Roscommon, MI area this spring with funds provided by the Arbor Day Foundation.
The trees will form habitat for the federally endangered Kirtland‟s Warbler, which nests in young jack pine stands.The planting project covered about 850 acres.

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« Reply #903 on: July 26, 2011, 05:46:34 pm »
I trust they planted jack pines?
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« Reply #904 on: July 26, 2011, 08:48:58 pm »
Yes, only jack pine on large clearcuts.
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« Reply #905 on: July 26, 2011, 08:58:37 pm »
we have a small wren that built a nest in a potted plant on our front porch. when we spray water in it the bird flies out.... when the wife waters she does it from the porch and the wren flies into her face everytime... loads of fun right there... maybe i should have posted that in the simple pleasures thread :D

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« Reply #906 on: July 27, 2011, 05:12:11 am »
I'm wondering if tree planting density is a factor for the birds. Wild jack pine regeneration after fires around here are wicked thick. Plantation jack pines I see here usually result in very brushy/limby trees.

Pre-commercial thinning pays off. :)

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« Reply #907 on: July 27, 2011, 04:23:47 pm »
The Kirtlands Warbler only nests in young closely spaced jack pine stands up to 7 feet tall.  The management program for it are jackpine clearcuts up to 570 acres, then prescribe burn for slash removal and new jack pine regeneration and planting at a 6x6 spacing. Young stands of jack pine in northeastern Lower Michigan near Mio, Harrisville, and Tawas on the Huron National Forest and State Forest lands are the primary nesting area of the Kirtlands. They then winter in the Bahamas and return to Lower Michigan to nest each spring.

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« Reply #908 on: July 27, 2011, 04:35:37 pm »
One can only wonder what those birds are costing us each (per bird and per person).
I recall when there was a prescribed burn for these warblers, and it got away and burned many, many more acres than planned. I figured that must have shot the bird count up by a similar factor if burning was really effective. Sorry to sound negative here. ;)
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« Reply #909 on: July 27, 2011, 04:57:41 pm »
Does the jack pine have any market value when it is older?
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« Reply #910 on: July 27, 2011, 05:23:55 pm »
Interesting warbler non-the-less, to be confined, or to be found only in MI during breeding when there are millions of acres of jack pine forest further north. ;)

Jack pine is part of the SPF stamped on lumber in the east. It's also pulped. Quite a bit has been planted here where it was not growing naturally. It's native here in NB but further North and East  from the head of the Mirimachi River toward to NE. They show it being all over NB, but it's not true. Here in NB it's typically growing in with black spruce, white pine and white birch. It would never grow in a hardwood forest type around here. In NB, it likes that brown glacial sand the best with a thin reddish top soil. Doesn't seem to like the igneous sand so well though. Most of it in plantations I've seen around here might just as well be burnt. Needs to grow thick to be straight and self prune well. My grandfather commented on the quality of the plantations 30 years ago. He wasn't too impressed. I've seen some nice old stands of wild jack pine, straight and tall and well pruned.

Pre-commercial thinning pays off. :)

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« Reply #911 on: July 27, 2011, 08:29:20 pm »
Yes, we have a lot of good jack pine in the warbler areas that goes for pulpwood, the rest is chipped for cogen fuel.
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« Reply #912 on: July 27, 2011, 08:49:56 pm »
Many years ago, I traveled to MI to see the Kirtland's.  I'd go back again.
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« Reply #913 on: July 28, 2011, 08:05:57 pm »
Did you get to see one? We've gone from a low of 100 pairs back in the early 1960's to now over 1000 pairs which was our planning goal for a viable population.
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« Reply #914 on: July 28, 2011, 08:53:43 pm »
I was just checking on some prices for jack pine: pulp is $35.56 a short ton, studwood is $44.45/ton, sawlogs grade 2 $53.35/ton. Spruce logs are always worth more, probably $5-10/ton more. JDI is the only buyer of jack pine around that I know of. Most of our pricing up here is zoned by mileage from the mills.

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« Reply #915 on: July 28, 2011, 10:44:40 pm »
Not a bad price for the pulpwood.  It is a good bit lower here, but our production costs are a good bit less than in the frozen north. 
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« Reply #916 on: July 29, 2011, 06:18:41 am »
Roads can be cheaper up here if you only have to stump them and drive over the top on frozen ground. ;D ;) Just don't get caught on a block in late spring, it could turn to a soup mess or frog pond. :D I would think the differences are probably fuel, average piece size and intensity of establishment silviculture. But forest companies get a lot of fringe benefits from the government. Can't pull them machine leavers any quicker than we can. ;) We cut an awefully lot of small second growth.

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« Reply #917 on: July 29, 2011, 07:30:05 am »
The cost difference is mainly in the equipment cost.  Processors, forwarders, and debarkers are much more expensive than skidders and knuckleboom loaders.  You can buy two fellerbunchers for the cost of one processor.
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« Reply #918 on: July 29, 2011, 07:47:35 am »
Machinery cost up here, no matter which you buy is a good 30-40% higher in price. Even if you compared buncher to buncher.

Even a pickup truck will likely be $8-10 grand more. And to think my grandfather could buy a new Ford F150 for $7000 every other year in the 1970's. Pension cheques went a heck of a lot further back then.

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« Reply #919 on: August 11, 2011, 09:59:45 pm »
Today I was sitting in the car for a spell on the edge of the plantation I'm thinning. Along a corner of the field road and highway, as you enter the block, it musta been prime bird real estate. I'm talking of an area that would be 20 feet wide by 20. I saw 2 pairs of cedar wax wings, a pair of chipping sparrows, 2 pair of robins, a wood thrush, 2 pairs of black pole warblers and a couple pairs of really small sparrow like birds (vesper sparrow ?) and a couple humming birds.  :)

Pre-commercial thinning pays off. :)

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