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Offline Mtez44

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Dead/Dying Black Walnut?
« on: March 20, 2017, 10:37:51 pm »
Hi Everyone

First time poster here needing ID help. I am completely green in this field(pun intended) and wanted some input from the pros.

Admittedly, I know close to zero about identifying tree species, however I am happy to dive into hours of research. The only problem with that is I feel left unsatisfied sometimes in my findings. Nothing quite like asking a question and getting an answer or multiple answers for that matter.

Long story short, I am felling a tree on my property that appears to be dead or atleast dying. It has showed no signs of life in the two years I have owned the property. I am trying to remember if it has ever had leaves on it but I'm pretty sure it never has. Some of the top limbs are completely bare and void of bark. The bark that does remain looks weathered.

In have cut the lowest limb and was suprised to see a darker colored heartwood. Similar to what I know about black walnut.

I have no leaves to go off of and the bark I feel is not intact or atleast a little deteriorated(compared to pics of black walnut online). I live in Northern NJ, and have oaks and hickories on my property as well.

Do I have a black walnut? If so do you think there will be solid logs to have?

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Re: Dead/Dying Black Walnut?
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2017, 10:44:59 pm »
Ok hold that thought until I figure out how to post pics :)

I thought I included them but looks like they never attached

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Re: Dead/Dying Black Walnut?
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2017, 11:09:29 pm »
I seem to be having trouble

Maybe someone could just go look at my album since clearly I am struggling with this

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Re: Dead/Dying Black Walnut?
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2017, 01:17:50 am »
You got the picture in your gallery.

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Re: Dead/Dying Black Walnut?
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2017, 07:28:39 am »
Looks like an Oak to me.  A picture of the whole tree and branch cut would help.
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Re: Dead/Dying Black Walnut?
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2017, 07:36:00 am »
I agree that it looks like an oak.
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Re: Dead/Dying Black Walnut?
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Re: Dead/Dying Black Walnut?
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2017, 09:15:01 am »
Oak.  Probably a type of Red Oak.  Others here could probably comment on species. 
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Re: Dead/Dying Black Walnut?
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2017, 08:23:41 pm »
Actually, it is a white oak. 
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Re: Dead/Dying Black Walnut?
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2017, 09:46:29 pm »
For your first lesson, look at the radial silver lines in the cross cut end. They are called medullary rays and when predominant like that, you have oak.

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Re: Dead/Dying Black Walnut?
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2017, 07:38:15 am »
Medullary rays, check!

Predominant in oaks but not exclusive to?

Thanks for the feedback guys. I got so excited when I saw that darker color heartwood. Obviously I have a lot of learning to do

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Re: Dead/Dying Black Walnut?
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2017, 07:47:14 am »
All trees have medullary rays.  In some species they are visible to the naked eye when you view the end grain.  In others, they are too small to see without magnification.  In four types of trees, the rays are very large and prominent to the naked eye.  These are the red oaks, the white oaks, beech (oak is in the beech family), and sycamore.

When quartersawn, the rays are split and give the characteristic "ray fleck" figure. 
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Re: Dead/Dying Black Walnut?
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2017, 07:50:32 am »
WDH, thanks for the correction.  Still learning here.   :)  Slowly moving from firewood mentality (Oak is Oak.  Mmmm.. warm.) to lumber mentality (there are different types of Oak with variations).   ;D
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Re: Dead/Dying Black Walnut?
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2017, 05:23:12 pm »
The bark looks like a post oak but the cross cut looks just like a red oak. But i'm certain its not a walnut for sure. my guess is that it is in the red oak family probably a Nuttall Oak, which looks a lot like a red oak.

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Re: Dead/Dying Black Walnut?
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2017, 07:38:11 am »
It is a white oak for sure.
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