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Offline Earl Beverly

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TimberKing B-20 List/lenghts of hydraulic hoses.
« on: March 20, 2017, 02:24:31 pm »
Hi,
Does anyone have a complete count with lengths of hydraulic hoses for a TK B-20 sawmill. My saw has seen just enough weather to rot the hoses and rather than replacing as they fail, I would like to replace all at once (all of the 3/8" Hoses). Also, thinking to upgrade from the one wire hose to two wire.
I have several other pieces of equipment with hydraulics, 3 tractors, track loader, dozer, articulating loader, so, I am considering buying a hose crimper, although the "surpluscenter" prices look cheaper than the cost of hose and fittings.
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Earl Beverly

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Re: TimberKing B-20 List/lenghts of hydraulic hoses.
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2017, 03:56:03 pm »
Earl,have you looked at crimpers yet??
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Re: TimberKing B-20 List/lenghts of hydraulic hoses.
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2017, 05:19:22 pm »
You might want to look on E-bay at the non-crimp hose fittings.

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Re: TimberKing B-20 List/lenghts of hydraulic hoses.
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2017, 11:46:01 pm »
Earl,

Call Mike or Jason at TK, they should be able to tell you the hose lengths.  Unless you have moved your forward loading arm to the forward position, you can use shorter hoses for that one.
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Re: TimberKing B-20 List/lenghts of hydraulic hoses.
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2017, 02:09:34 am »
I highly recommend using industrial hoses or of same kind TK originally used.
There not cheap and the fittings is what adds up.  The B - 20 system is not a extreme system but if you have a 3-4 K log on loaders or log chain turner and you have one come apart with 3500 psi it's very dangerous. Proper hose cutting and proper fittings crimped the right way is money well spent. The machine that dose it is several thousands. 
Iam guessing but to re plumb a B-20 would be in the neighborhood of  $1500- $1800
 I think I spent  $350 for the 3' hoses with connections to move everything forward a couple feet when I added the 10' extension.
Just my 2 cents. Keep safety in mind
 Also most companies that make up hoses won't add a new fitting to a used hose.
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Re: TimberKing B-20 List/lenghts of hydraulic hoses.
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2017, 02:32:51 am »
Wow... Up here in Pa we can get the Amish to make up hoses for
around $20.00 per hose.
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Re: TimberKing B-20 List/lenghts of hydraulic hoses.
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2017, 09:55:44 am »
Yes I might have inflated  the cost a bit. But I did check what I actually paid for a  10K psi 3/8 two wire hose is around 2.60 LF
So a 10 ft hose with basic straight fittings made up here is around 60-75 bucks.

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Re: TimberKing B-20 List/lenghts of hydraulic hoses.
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2017, 11:38:25 am »
Hi Guys,
Thanks for all of the responses.

Tom T Sawyer: The straight up answer is to call Mike or Jason at TK. I did this last week and Jason quoted $1450 for the full B-20 package of hoses. I feel a bit guilty asking all of the lengths, so I can go to another vendor to beat their price.

RedBeard: I really don't like to discuss my sex life on timber forums, but a few weeks ago I had two 1", 10' hoses made at my local Auto Parts store to route from my Kubota SVL-90 track loader to the Ground Shark cutter. At $486.00 I considered to this be sex of some kind - and I did not enjoy it...

Kbeitz: I saw a picture of some Amish people one time. That seems to be as close as they come to East Texas. I checked in to the "screw on" fittings - the only objection here is the cost. Also, they are physically larger than the crimped fittings. This is probably not a problem in most cases. Have not given up on this because, like having my own crimper, it lets me make the hoses and fit them one at a time.

RedBeard: I have a twenty foot extension on my saw and along with changing the hoses, I would like to add hydraulic stops on the extension, add a third, or widen, the existing log loader arms and toeboards. So, when making/ordering new hoses, I will add the extra lengths of hose as needed. This is why my first thought was to buy a used hose crimper, and I have been shopping eBay and CraigsList, but again, this also looks like sex of some kind, not to mention that each crimper requires specific dies, rings, and use of specific fittings and hoses.

The TK stock hoses are one wire and with JIC type female flare ends. It would not cost much to upgrade to two wire hose and I plan to shield all of the hose that runs in the channels, then sleeve all hoses that are exposed. I think that upgrading from the TK 3500# hoses to 4800# as well as keeping the sun off the hoses should end my hose problems.

I have banged a log into a fitting that ruined a hose and pinched one of the log loader hoses.This kind of stuff will happen now and then, but should be less as I spend more time on the saw.

Anyone know of a hydraulic crimper at a reasonable price, please let me know.

Thanks,
Earl Beverly

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Re: TimberKing B-20 List/lenghts of hydraulic hoses.
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2017, 12:41:23 pm »
One of these days,i am getting my own crimper too.
This is what i am looking at.

http://www.gates.com/products/industrial/industrial-hydraulics/crimpers-and-equipment/mobilecrimp-420
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Re: TimberKing B-20 List/lenghts of hydraulic hoses.
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2017, 08:02:20 pm »
Hi Guys,
I just ordered all of the 3/8" hoses for the TK B-20 from Surplus Center (24 hoses and about 200'). I upgraded from 3000#, single wire to 4800#, 2 wire. The SC stock hose lenghts skip from 15' to 20', and in 4 places the B-20 requires 16', so I ordered the 20' hoses for these. I can loop the hose or take them to my auto parts and they will shorten for the price of the fittings, plus a buck or two.
I did not order the 24" long 1/2" line from the filter returning to the hydraulic tank or the 10" long 3/4" line from tank to pump. The 1/2" looks new and SC does not stock a 3/4" hose in 10" length. I will get the 3/4 from TK.
The cost including shipping for this order was $657.30.
I will check the diameter of the fittings tomorrow and order hose sleeves for all of the hoses (the sleeve will need to fit over the end fittings). eBay list some sleeve from China that is low cost and I am thinking to order 200' of that tomorrow. All the sleeve has to do is keep the sun off of the hose. There are not really any high-abrasion areas, though the sleeve is listed as anti-abrasion.
Either my hoses rotted from the sun (what I think) or some of the chain lube I have been using is chemically attacking the rubber (also likely).
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Re: TimberKing B-20 List/lenghts of hydraulic hoses.
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2017, 09:41:28 pm »
Some modifications to think about,
The area where the hoses turn from channel beam to control there's some vibration wear from some of the sheet metal edges. ( I cut those back a bit and used fire hose for sheathing. Also use rubber tape on the Tee bars that hold the hoses on the channel beam and  cut some short pieces of plastic tubing to cover the  bolt shoulder and threads.
Sounds like you will be adding the bed extension to your mill.
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Re: TimberKing B-20 List/lenghts of hydraulic hoses.
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2017, 11:04:31 am »
Hi Redbeard,
I have a 20' extension on the mill now, but have not moved or added any hydraulics to the extension. So far the few times I have sawed long timbers, I have used two tractors with forks to load and turn the log. It was a bit of a pain, but it was easy on the mill, as we could load and turn gently. The log was a huge, green white oak and I have no clue what it weighed.
Thanks for the tips on where to place more shielding. I have some old fire hose. Also, I just ordered 225' of hydraulic hose sleeve. I will sleeve all of the hose and add cover and padding as you recommend.
 I bought the mill in 2005, but have mostly been gone (engineering jobs overseas), so the mill only has 80 hours on it. I left the mill uncovered one summer when I flew to Brazil for a two week job, and did not return until fall. This is when the Texas sun went to work on the hoses. Yes, I am ashamed of myself for mistreating a fine sawmill.
Hurricanes Rita and Ike took about 40% of my timber +/- 150,000 bf pine and oak, and I was traveling those years for work, so the downed trees went to rot. This was my plan for the mill, to render any trees as they fall from storms, get struck by lightening and from the fence lines. After Rita, I bought a Cat D-5, shoved the rotted trees into piles and burned them. I have not recovered from Ike, and there are hundreds of rotted trees both on the ground and standing and it is truly a dangerous forest. The jet stream brought high winds yesterday and I am hoping some of the dead trees fell. 
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