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Offline 1270d

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I don't quite understand....
« on: May 30, 2016, 08:42:39 pm »
Why the 1x pine lumber in our local Lowe's store is stamped "product of New Zealand".
Is it possible to harvest, manufacture and ship the product here cheaper than sourcing US grown timber?   

Trying HiTech's lead in thread title :D

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Re: I don't quite understand....
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2016, 09:08:13 pm »
i read something a while back about lumber was being imported from finland and sweden because of the strong us dollar

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Re: I don't quite understand....
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2016, 10:11:25 pm »
I've heard aspen pulp is being imported by rail to U.S. OSB mills because of the weak Canadian dollar  :(
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Re: I don't quite understand....
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2016, 10:13:03 pm »
I don't have the exact figures, but once you get something into a shipping container the distance it has to travel by sea is pretty much irrelevant.

Radiata pine grows like a weed here in NZ, makes 24"+ saw logs in a bit over 20 years, so it's pretty much farmed like you would corn, on any land that's marginal for grazing livestock.

I'm not even in one of the main forestry regions, but loads of pine logs like this are rolling though town all day.
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Re: I don't quite understand....
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2016, 10:15:47 pm »
 :P
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Re: I don't quite understand....
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2016, 10:36:09 pm »
A friend of mine bought a couple of bundles of 2x6x16' from Lowe's a while back. The tag on the end of the boards said Product of Austria I believe.
We pondered this same question for a while.  ???
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Re: I don't quite understand....
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2016, 11:10:27 pm »
How can our government keep letting this happen? I guess it's better to see jobs go over seas, and watch our timber burn or die and  then fall down.
Or it's like this let spend  millions of taxpayers money fighting fires and cleaning up dead trees. It's just stupidness.
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Re: I don't quite understand....
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2016, 11:36:21 pm »
How can our government keep letting this happen?

My guess is they figure natural resources will be the commodity of the future.  Let everyone else destroy the environment and we'll keep ours. 
Don't think they have figured out that buying it from someone who does it is just as bad as doing it.  OR... they can pass that off to the disgruntled public better as private business doing it.
Too bad they will drive us into debt so bad that we will never recover and all the countries that made money on their resources by us buying it  will own us (and our resources too) by then.

In reality though, I think that it just cost too much here vs elsewhere to make a board, and they can't reverse it now.  We already shot ourselves in the foot.

One mill around here ended up paying the feds almost as much in stumpage as they themselves pay a gypo for log tonage.  That aint right.
Feds wont even sell timber anymore it seems.  The ones that do get put up here in beautiful Bozeman area, most go up for lawsuit almost immediately.  Then the logger that had to put the money up front to win the bid has to have all that money tied up and sat on until it goes to court.  Who can really do that?  My pockets aren't deep enough for sure.

On the news in the last 5 months here, one of the larger mills around here reported their timber come mostly from Private with about 10% being State sales, and about 5% is fed sales.

We wanted to put a road through a corner of FS ground one time so we inquired about it.  They actually laughed at us and said no way, "we are trying to not do anything with timber anymore"  was one of the last remarks we heard.

Thats what I have experienced logging here in MT.

That's why wood is coming from other countries IMO.

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Re: I don't quite understand....
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2016, 12:02:56 am »
I here yeah! This country's getting so politically correct that pretty soon they'll be giving tickets if they here you fart.
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Re: I don't quite understand....
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2016, 12:08:20 am »
How can our government keep letting this happen?

My guess is they figure natural resources will be the commodity of the future.  Let everyone else destroy the environment and we'll keep ours. 
Don't think they have figured out that buying it from someone who does it is just as bad as doing it.  OR... they can pass that off to the disgruntled public better as private business doing it.
Too bad they will drive us into debt so bad that we will never recover and all the countries that made money on their resources by us buying it  will own us (and our resources too) by then.

In reality though, I think that it just cost too much here vs elsewhere to make a board, and they can't reverse it now.  We already shot ourselves in the foot.

One mill around here ended up paying the feds almost as much in stumpage as they themselves pay a gypo for log tonage.  That aint right.
Feds wont even sell timber anymore it seems.  The ones that do get put up here in beautiful Bozeman area, most go up for lawsuit almost immediately.  Then the logger that had to put the money up front to win the bid has to have all that money tied up and sat on until it goes to court.  Who can really do that?  My pockets aren't deep enough for sure.

On the news in the last 5 months here, one of the larger mills around here reported their timber come mostly from Private with about 10% being State sales, and about 5% is fed sales.

We wanted to put a road through a corner of FS ground one time so we inquired about it.  They actually laughed at us and said no way, "we are trying to not do anything with timber anymore"  was one of the last remarks we heard.

Thats what I have experienced logging here in MT.

That's why wood is coming from other countries IMO.
yup, i go to lowes and see what they want for them crappy 2x4s you can push a nail in with ya thumb, then see what i get for big beautiful yellow pine......makes ya sick.

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Re: I don't quite understand....
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2016, 12:40:10 am »
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My guess is they figure natural resources will be the commodity of the future.  Let everyone else destroy the environment and we'll keep ours.
Don't think they have figured out that buying it from someone who does it is just as bad as doing it

I don't think it's even that.

The wood you are talking about is basically "farmed", plantation grown trees. The European stuff may come from a more "natural" forest, but one that's been managed for timber production for centuries. Either way the trees are regrowing as fast as they are being cut.

But there is very little production from Govt owned land here. All that wood is coming from privately owned land, and pretty good money being paid for it. So it's not even a case of other governments "giving away" wood to undercut the US market.
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Re: I don't quite understand....
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2016, 12:56:25 am »
As long as AMERICANS want to buy walmart lumber then we will get the garbage while our QUALITY stuff gets bought by countries that want good export timber.

Americans as a whole are BAD consumers.



There are way more KIA dealerships here than GM/Mopar/Ford combined.   Thanks your neighbor.

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Re: I don't quite understand....
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2016, 02:41:27 am »
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There are way more KIA dealerships here than GM/Mopar/Ford combined.   Thanks your neighbor.

Chop Shop,

According to Google, there are "more than 755" KIA, 3,263 Ford, 4,355 GM and "2,300+" Dodge dealers in the United States. So, even though it seems like the KIAs are winning, they still have a long way to go...

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Re: I don't quite understand....
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2016, 05:10:44 am »
Don't buy it. Get your lumber from a local mill. I get my hemlock and pine boards from a local mill ( there are lots of mills) and it's priced competitively with Lowe's, is better quality and I can get what I want without picking through two units for a straight board. Plus, they buy my logs!
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Re: I don't quite understand....
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2016, 05:48:50 am »
Don't buy it. Get your lumber from a local mill. I get my hemlock and pine boards from a local mill ( there are lots of mills) and it's priced competitively with Lowe's, is better quality and I can get what I want without picking through two units for a straight board. Plus, they buy my logs!
your lucky most of the soft wood mills in my area wont sell to home owner and if you can find someone with a band mill to saw you lumber they want 60-65cents a ft to saw it

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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2016, 05:55:07 am »
Most times the logs go on a ship out to int waters and makes the lumber, doors, windows  . The boat is the sawmill. The waste from the log runs the boat. [Steam]
Back to port and unload, Get more logs. Where ever the boat is from is where the stamp comes from. Austria lumber Austria boat.
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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2016, 05:56:49 am »
.60 to .65 to cut it? or sell it?
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Re: I don't quite understand....
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2016, 06:11:45 am »
Sawmill boat?  Interesting..never woulda thunk it..
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Re: I don't quite understand....
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2016, 07:03:41 am »
It's hard to find good lumber. It's also hard to find good potatoes. Not to change the subject, but it is. lol

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Re: I don't quite understand....
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2016, 07:05:08 am »

Americans as a whole are BAD consumers.




last quote I heard, and maybe it's a little off, 1 in 4 people in the US are on some sort of assistance from the government.
With numbers like that, no wonder people shop at Walmart.

I don't think our economy is as rosy as they say.

I'm one of them sad to say, not because I don't work my but off either, but sometimes I can't afford to buy local or american even if I want to.