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Re: Ram water pumps
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2016, 07:41:40 pm »
Dono if it would work in your case, I've had success with very small 30 watt or so  consumer solar setups charging a couple of decent AGM batteries powering a 12v ag sprayer or rv pump.  They pull water up from about 16' giving almost civic pressure at the wellhead, driving water 50' or so up if I'm remembering it right.  Snow on the panels and frozen batteries seem to be the limiting factor. 

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Re: Ram water pumps
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2016, 04:18:17 pm »
I finally went and took some pictures today. 1st one is where the creek leaves my property, on the upper left of pic a ways up the road is my mailbox, the pond is at this same elevation roughly.
 

 

 This pic is of part of the pond, at the deepest its about 11ft deep from grade. So its got about 3.5 feet of water in it now at best.
 

 


This pic is about the deepest part of creek, its a hole about 28" deep right now, most of the creek is only 10" deep, but it always has good flow even during drought years.

 

 

 

 

Any ideas of a sling or any other type of pump would be appreciated! Its about 700ft from the deep hole on the creek to the pond. I see no way of making a ram pump work, even if I did make a small dam, at best I might get 18" of fall, and even then the pump would sit in such a low spot that during 1 good rain everything would be swamped.
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Re: Ram water pumps
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2016, 05:02:08 pm »
Without "boots on the ground" it is hard to tell from pictures, but if I may be as so bold, and to try and not offend you, I wonder if maybe the bigger part of the problem is not in trying to get water to the pond, but rather to try and keep the pond from losing water in the first place. It almost looks like it was dug from gravel or sand. If that is the case, would it be feasible to line with plastic, rubber or special soil made just for livestock ponds (I forget what it is called)?

My only other idea is in using a water wheel pump. Very simple in construction and since you are not creating a dam, I would think it would be easier to get permits for (if needed at all). You would just have to scale it up to "lift" your water from the stream to the pond. I thought you said somewhere that you need a "lift" of 11 feet; if that is the case, since the discharge is at the hub, it would require a 22 foot wheel. Pretty high, but doable.

Just generating an alternative idea, that is all.

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Re: Ram water pumps
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2016, 05:27:44 pm »
18" is plenty of fall for a ram.  You just need a longer run when the ram valve slams shut with 20 - 30 feet of pipe behind it you get a big water hammer. That's what does the work.
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Re: Ram water pumps
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2016, 07:59:40 pm »
 Before I dug the bigger pond, I dug a small one to test it for 2 years, the soil is pure sand with a little loam in the swampy spots. I tried a liner and a bent clay neither worked, with a small leak in the lap all the water leaked down to the water table. On wet years the pond stayed pretty full, then we had drought and the DNR has been messing with the lake level, which is just 1/2 mile north of me, both have dropped the water table a bit. During the test phase I also tried keeping the pond full with a hose on a timer 10 hrs a day, it worked fine but I'm not paying that much for electric or willing to wear out my pump prematurely, its a 1 1/4hp pump and even at cost for me to replace its not worth it.

 The other thing I wonder is if I put the intake line on the highest point of creek and ran it about 150ft there is about 16" of drop, and then I wouldn't have to stick the pump down in a mucky hole. The water wheel rig is neat but I don't have that much room without some major brush clearing, which could be done, I think brush floating down during heavy rains may mess it up though.
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Re: Ram water pumps
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2017, 03:28:34 pm »
I know it's thread is over a year old but I have a question and a sugestion. From the level you pond is does your land climb in elevation? If it does you may be able to dig a well that will gravity feed your pond. The water table will follow the contour of the land so this may work.

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Re: Ram water pumps
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2017, 02:29:57 am »
Just out of curiosity, any one heard of a wind driven centrifugal pump?
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Re: Ram water pumps
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2017, 08:58:18 pm »
I found a guy on you tube named Engineer 775 he also has a prepper web site . He seems to have interesting ideas on pumping water.
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