Author Topic: Hit it in a log, whatisit? (Read 4389 times)

Jeff · « **on:** March 22, 2002, 08:28:00 pm »

I thought this was a slug, but it seems too hard. It was several inches within a red maple. Shows no sign of distortion like you would expect with a bullet. It is 1 and 1/4 inch long

psychotic1 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 22, 2002, 08:41:13 pm »

Looks like one of them there new-fangled saboted shotgun slugs to me too. Don't know why it didn't squish though. weird Might be tungsten or zinc alloy. Lead is verbotten don't ya know.

Bruce

Jeff · « **Reply #2 on:** March 22, 2002, 08:45:44 pm »

Its pretty hard and you can see by the saw marks brittle. Lead usually does not bother the saw, this did

psychotic1 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 22, 2002, 08:49:48 pm »

How heavy is it? I've heard of titanium being used in certain police and military ammo. Wouldn't think it would be heavy enough to fly very far in a shotgun, but you never know.

Jeff · « **Reply #4 on:** March 22, 2002, 08:58:05 pm »

Its not that hard. I just took my little knife, and I can scratch it quite readily, but not like ammo lead, which you can usually scrape with a fingernail.

Ya know what? could this be the end of a ramrod? Maybe somebody broke it off, or it came loose from a wooden handle, then fired it out? if you look in the hollow in pic and to the left, you willl see a trace of wood.

Tom · « **Reply #5 on:** March 22, 2002, 09:00:19 pm »

My first guess was some sort of fastener. You know, the kind that you use to hang stuff on a wall when there is no stud.

I just can't visualize this thing being shot from a gun.

The hole in back isn't too deep but it gave me another idea. It may be the head of a hunting arrow. One of those blunt shock performing type of arrows used for squirrels and other small game. The hole is deep enough for a glue joint to the shaft of the arrow. The lack of weight and hardness of the material would answer to this resolution as well. :-/

Bud Man · « **Reply #6 on:** March 22, 2002, 09:15:43 pm »

I vote for the ramrod Idea, you'd know if it were lead

But in the tree ? Maybe a whupping stick that a child hid in the crotch of a tree after getting a good whupping

Tillaway · « **Reply #7 on:** March 22, 2002, 09:59:20 pm »

My moneys with Bruce. It sure looks like a shotgun slug to me.

Bud Man · « **Reply #8 on:** March 22, 2002, 11:04:50 pm »

I thought kabot slugs had a rifling twist grove in them ! Maybe a handle crank for a roll-out casement window ?? Was it in a knot hole, like maybe a squirrel or bird put it in or was it in solid wood like it penetrated the wood ??

Rick-Wi · « **Reply #9 on:** March 23, 2002, 04:30:40 am »

It is a sabot slug. No rifleing is needed because the plastic that holds the slug grips the rifling on the barrel. when the slug exits the barrel, the plastic splits in half and separates fron the sabot, leaving the sabot to fly on its own. They are usualy a hardend lead alloy so the slug dosn't deform in the barrel, as the powder ignites. If it deforms it will not fly streight.

Rick-WI

Jeff · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2002, 05:06:56 am »

Rick, that was my first thought, I just could not imagine that it could penetrate a maple and never distort at all. Answering a couple things above, the wood was solid, no stain or anything around this. I had to use a screwdriver to get it out. And it does have weight. Its heavy like lead. And I do agree, that it must be a lead alloy. Its to hard for lead, but to soft to be a ferrus metal.

Rick I still feel your PROBABLY right, but here is the thing now that has me unconvinced. Its the wood fiber in the hollow. It should not be there. If it was a sabot, it should have been the trailing edge so when it hit the log is should not have had any wood in it. Look at the picture below. (Did i ever say how much I love my camera?) you can see the remnant of wood fiber, and the grain direction. this is absoulutly straight with the object and looks like what would be left of an inserted wooden shaft, at least to me.

JoeyLowe · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2002, 05:08:15 am »

:-/My vote is against the sabot slug. Most sabot slugs are rounder and will explode on contact with gelatin, much less wood. I believe it is an arrow head.

Bibbyman · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2002, 05:17:53 am »

Could it be some kind of small-game arrow tip? Is the wood in the base of some other kind?

Your camera sure did a good job on the close-up. I’ve got a new Canon Pro-shot 20A and am very please except when it come to a close up shot. Maybe if I read the manual?

Rick-Wi · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2002, 05:42:02 am »

There is no Question it is a Sabot. They make Sabots for everything from Black Powder rifles to shot guns. I use them for deer hunting and have seen them crunch Bone and not deform. As for how the wood got in the hollow end it could be that as the slug was penitrating the tree, it forms a vacume behind it (Balistics laws). The fibers of wood would follow the vacume till the slug stoped. and fill the cavity of the slug with the fiber. It isn't a arrow head because a arrow head that shape and size wouldnd do nothing but bounce off the tree. I have pulled sawn Miniballs from the cival war out of wood and they were not deformed. And That was in SYP.

Rick-Wi

Jeff · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2002, 05:54:29 am »

The fiber in the base does look different then the maple it was in, but it is in contact with metal, and exposed to the air, so I don't know if that would explain color diff.

Here are two more views. You can see that it appears that the hollow end must have been filled with wood at one time, lots of residue. It was not full of woodwhen I dug it out of the log.

BiB, does your camera have a macro setting for focus? thats what I am using here. Actually These are reduces to 40% you should see the un-edited ones!

Jeff · « **Reply #15 on:** March 23, 2002, 06:08:45 am »

I am side steppin for one moment here so I can show Bibbyman the capabilities of this Sony. Here is a link to a picture of the corner of my eye. I put the lense right against my face. I did not use the zoom, though I could. I have optical zoom that would continue to stay clear. It would not degrade till I would use digital zoom.

I used a link to the picture, because I left it unoptimized to leave detail.

http://www.forestryforum.com/images/cornerofeye.jpg

Bibbyman · « **Reply #16 on:** March 23, 2002, 06:15:15 am »

Yuck! That’s too close – back up a little please.

Yea, I suspect with everything else the 20A camera can do, it will also do close-ups. I’ve got to go unload a load of logs so I ain’t got time now to check it out. (Logger called at 6:30 – wanting to deliver today because bad weather is moving in.)

Jeff · « **Reply #17 on:** March 23, 2002, 06:26:31 am »

Yuck is right! But the camera has allowed me to discover an unknown phenomenon. The uglier the corner of your eye appears the better looking you are. The corner of say, Tom Selek's, or Brad Pitt's eyes must be hideous.

Kevin · « **Reply #18 on:** March 23, 2002, 07:47:43 am »

GROSS!

Jeff, can you mic that object for the outside diameter?

Jeff · « **Reply #19 on:** March 23, 2002, 11:07:03 am »

I don't have a micrometer here but I do have ruler and it is just a hair shy of 1/2 inch in diameter.

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