The Forestry Forum is sponsored in part by:




TimberKing Sawmills




Toll Free 1-800-582-0470

LogRite Tools



Forest Products Industry Insurance


Norwood Industries Inc.


Sawmill & Woodlot Magazine



Your source for Portable Sawmills, Edgers, Resaws, Sharpeners, Setters, Bandsaw Blades and Sawmill Parts

EZ Boardwalk Sawmills. More Saw For Less Money!

STIHLDealers.com sponsored by Northeast STIHL


Woodland Sawmills

Peterson Swingmills

 KASCO SharpTech WoodMaxx Blades


Turbosawmill

Sawmill Exchange

BRUTE FORCE Authorized Dealer

Woodshax Outdoor Vending Solutions

FARMA

Forestry Forum Tool Box

Author Topic: Forged in Fire  (Read 8505 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Magicman

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 33670
  • Age: 74
  • Location: Brookhaven, MS
  • Gender: Male
  • A "Traveling Man"
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2015, 08:03:37 pm »
This knife that was custom made for me by John Neeman (Janus) is the last item that he personally forged under the "John Neeman" label before he adopted the "Autine" label.  It is forged from D2 steel and my initials are etched on the other side.
 

 
It has carved on 4 Pig Roast hogs.   :)

 

 
He also forged this Carpenter's Axe for me.
 

 
And he sent me this personally autographed DVD detailing his blacksmithing skills.
Knothole Sawmill, LLC     '98 Wood-Mizer LT40SuperHydraulic   WM Million BF Club Member   WM Pro Sawyer Network

Never allow your "need" to make money to exceed your "desire" to provide quality service.....The Magicman

Offline loggah

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1620
  • Age: 65
  • Location: Campton New Hampshire
  • Gender: Male
  • Just hangin' around :)
    • Johnson Hollow Sawing and Shingle Making
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2015, 09:12:17 am »
Lynn,Those are some nice! Don
Interests: Lombard Log Haulers,Tucker Sno-Cats, Circular Sawmills, Shingle Mills, Maple Syrup Making, Early Construction Equipment, Logging Memorabilia, and Antique Firearms

Offline Magicman

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 33670
  • Age: 74
  • Location: Brookhaven, MS
  • Gender: Male
  • A "Traveling Man"
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2015, 09:31:31 am »
Blacksmithing and Bladesmithing are fascinating skills.  I love watching the artistry as objects are formed.
Knothole Sawmill, LLC     '98 Wood-Mizer LT40SuperHydraulic   WM Million BF Club Member   WM Pro Sawyer Network

Never allow your "need" to make money to exceed your "desire" to provide quality service.....The Magicman

Offline sandhills

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 4914
  • Age: 44
  • Location: east egde of the hills, Nebraska
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2015, 09:57:31 am »
And to think I was proud of myself to make a couple tire irons out of sucker rod  :D.  Those are really nice guys!

Offline Gadrock

  • Full Member x2
  • ***
  • Posts: 237
  • Age: 65
  • Location: forest, ms
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm new! But older than many trees!
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2015, 09:41:19 am »
Well the proof is in the pudding! The way they get persons to participate is from some other association. I got my invitation the other day. This receipt shows anattraction from blacksmith organizaions, etc. for a few years I had been the president over the Mississippi Forge Council so I am suspecting that to be the way I got my invitation.

So what is wrong with an invitation? I am not qualified to be on that show. Therre ae many smiths that ARE qualified and could possibly make a better casting than what I saw earlier.

What I am getting to is I would like to see quality bladesmiths on this program. That would show the integrity of the program.

Maybe we should start a section on quality forged or created cutting tools. How about it?

david Gaddis

carry on
LT40 G18,   bent Cresent wrench,   broken timing light
Prentice 280 loader, Prentice 2432 skidder, Deere 643J fellerbuncher, Deere 648H skidder, Deere 650H Dozer

Offline Left Coast Chris

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1305
  • Age: 57
  • Location: Redding, California
  • Gender: Male
  • A day sawing is always a special day
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2015, 09:35:01 am »
David,   

It would be great to see you on the show.    No need to be the best at something to participate.   You have earned a spot to show your skills.   Life is short, we hope you reconsider.
Home built cantilever head, 24 HP honda mill, Case 580D, MF 135 and one Squirel Dog Jack Russel Mix -- Crickett

Offline MattJ

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 260
  • Location: Raleigh, NC
  • Gender: Male
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2015, 04:08:30 pm »
I think the contestants have gotten better over time.  I was interested in it as I took an intro to blacksmithing class with Peter Ross through Roy Underhill's school and I've been considering getting into it as yet another hobby (i.e. to pile up more unfinished projects!).

The thing that struck me is that I am an utlra-newbie and only took intro classes but I saw a lot of the contestants at the beginning violating the simple rules Peter laid out for us day one.  For example they were mashing steel that had cooled way too much in hydraulic presses and trip hammers and cracking the blades all over the place.  Seems to me a mistake that a master wouldn't make. 

The last few shows though had some really great designs that were fun to watch.  I liked watching the one grandfather in his 70's forging.  Worked at a great deliberate pace and made a beautiful knife. 

Matt

Offline Gadrock

  • Full Member x2
  • ***
  • Posts: 237
  • Age: 65
  • Location: forest, ms
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm new! But older than many trees!
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2015, 10:39:50 pm »
so tonight I open up my email and lo and behold I received my second invitation to ....well show that I am not totally good enough to do this stuff.

Do I forge weld? yeah   Do I make blades? yeah   Do I care about doing this on tv? Not in the least!

But it is a great experience to watch a good smith at his craft. To watch Bobby Rico or Paul LaBatard...oe even theperfectionist David Messer....you would drool. Yet they could do stuff that would amaze and satisfy your soul. I am referring to nice craftsmen, and we all appreciate the values in each others work. For that I greatly appreciate be welcomed as a craftsman and friend.

The state of Arkansas has more bladesmiths than one could imagine. It seems they live two on each block. There is one of the best bladesmith schools there too.

Peter Ross is a highly reputed blacksmith , instructor, artist, and demonstrator. we tried to get him to come down to Mississippi and his response was ...well it needs to be a bit cooler. I consider it our loss. He sure would be a great demonstrator.

Hopefully I may be able to show some of my craft. Maybe someday my sawmilling will equal my blacksmithing.

david Gaddis


carry on
LT40 G18,   bent Cresent wrench,   broken timing light
Prentice 280 loader, Prentice 2432 skidder, Deere 643J fellerbuncher, Deere 648H skidder, Deere 650H Dozer

Offline Jeff

  • Lead Administrator and Founder
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 44822
  • Age: 56
  • Location: Harrison MI
  • Gender: Male
  • Proverbs 13:20
    • THEE Forestry Forum
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2015, 10:46:31 am »
David, you should accept. we've seen your work. You may not want to be on tv, but hundreds of your Forestry Forum brethren would LOVE to see you on it.
Just call me the midget doctor.
Forestry Forum Founder and Chief Bottle Washer.

Offline pineywoods

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 4850
  • Age: 81
  • Location: Marion, Louisiana
  • Gender: Male
  • Engineering analysis-just sittin thinkin about it
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2015, 10:48:50 am »
Sawyers and loggers NEED blacksmiths. I have a couple of log grabs that were given to me, probably because they didn't work very well. I took them to my hobby blacksmith brother. He did some magic (re-bent and hardened the tips) now they grab and hold like a logrite cant hook.   ;D I would love to see a general smithing topic on this forum, hint, hint.
1995 Wood Mizer LT 40, Liquid cooled kawasaki,homebuilt hydraulics. Homebuilt solar dry kiln.  Woodmaster 718 planner, Kubota M4700 with homemade forks and winch, stihl  028, 029, Ms390
100k bd ft club

Offline Jeff

  • Lead Administrator and Founder
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 44822
  • Age: 56
  • Location: Harrison MI
  • Gender: Male
  • Proverbs 13:20
    • THEE Forestry Forum
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2015, 10:52:02 am »
The alternative methods board would be a good place to post such things. I don't think the subject would warrant a dedicated board at this time. It can be hard to find a given board now due to convolution. :D
Just call me the midget doctor.
Forestry Forum Founder and Chief Bottle Washer.

Offline beenthere

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 26970
  • Location: Southern Wisconsin, USA
  • Gender: Male
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2015, 11:49:39 am »
Seems we already have a "general smithing" topic in this thread. What more do we need?  ;)  8)
south central Wisconsin
 It may be that my sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others

Offline Paul_H

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 6609
  • Age: 55
  • Location: Enderby,BC
  • Gender: Male
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2015, 11:59:54 am »
The Alternative board would be a good fit
eg  tregar  meste  på  Tulla, for  ho  var  krulla  i  ulla.

Offline sandhills

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 4914
  • Age: 44
  • Location: east egde of the hills, Nebraska
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #33 on: August 27, 2015, 01:18:34 pm »
Personally I wouldn't care to be on tv either, but I would love to see some of your work.  I love the general woodworking board and seeing what everyone accomplishes, it always amazes me at the talent all the folks here have and how they use it.  Umm I can drive a tractor  :D :D :D.

Offline Raider Bill

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 6783
  • Location: S.E. Tenn & Floridas Gulf Coast
  • Gender: Male
  • Who will pull the wagon when everyone rides?
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2015, 01:55:06 pm »
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't but..

Being a city boy I'm pretty impressed with anyone that can take a unknown chunk of steel, forge a knife out of it, in someone else's shop, with equipment that you never used before and do it in 4 hours.

I watch Survivor too. ;)




Kubota L-4200, Ford 8N, S-10 4WD Beater truck, Chainsaw, Bush Hog, couple ATV's and 141 acres of trees I'm not sure what to do with but I sure do have fun and enjoy being in the woods!
The First 50 years of childhood is always the hardest.

Offline Holmes

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1768
  • Age: 68
  • Location: Royalston ma.
  • Gender: Male
  • 1840 house
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2015, 10:08:36 pm »
  I just saw this thread. Bill I read the title and thought it was about bulldozers. :)
Think like a farmer.

Offline Magicman

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 33670
  • Age: 74
  • Location: Brookhaven, MS
  • Gender: Male
  • A "Traveling Man"
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2015, 09:00:17 am »
 

 
Here is the skillet that member Gadrock forged.
 

 
And here is a steak flipper being forged for us: Sawdust and Splinters
Knothole Sawmill, LLC     '98 Wood-Mizer LT40SuperHydraulic   WM Million BF Club Member   WM Pro Sawyer Network

Never allow your "need" to make money to exceed your "desire" to provide quality service.....The Magicman

Offline Jeff

  • Lead Administrator and Founder
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 44822
  • Age: 56
  • Location: Harrison MI
  • Gender: Male
  • Proverbs 13:20
    • THEE Forestry Forum
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2015, 08:11:54 am »


Just call me the midget doctor.
Forestry Forum Founder and Chief Bottle Washer.

Offline JB Griffin

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 682
  • Age: 27
  • Location: N.C. Arkansas
  • Gender: Male
  • sawn 1.2 million bdft and counting on Baker sawmil
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2015, 08:18:07 am »
I have watched all of um and I agree to a point with Gadrock it seems to be scripted, but after talking with my friend Ray Kirk who was on the last show the drama is somewhat real and the way it is edited. Season 2 should be better if they learned something of what the viewers really want to see.

The first 2-3 shows were disappointing for sure but they started getting better, showing more of the heat treatment and sorta explaining it a little.

I whole heartedly disagree with Gadrock about the quality of the smiths last show had two ABS (American Bladesmith Society) Master Smiths and one Journeyman Smith on it and the other guy didn't have a snowball's chance in you know where.
2000 LT40HYDD33-RA, '70's era 2500, '96 F-250 7.3 PSD 4x4, 350 Husky, CS-590 Echo

1.2 million bdft sawn with a Baker mill and counting.

Offline maple flats

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1696
  • Age: 71
  • Location: Oneida, NY
  • Gender: Male
  • Life is what you make it!
    • Dave and Joan's sugarhouse web site
Re: Forged in Fire
« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2017, 10:30:25 am »
I enjoy watching it. However I think the biggest issue is the time they allow the smiths to produce in. Most shows start with 2 segments of 3 hrs. where the smith makes a blade, they are always rushed (at least 1 gave 4 hrs). I think the results would be better if the first segment at least gave them 5 hrs to forge the blade. Segment 2 the 3 remaining smiths address any issues in their blade and then attach a handle and put the finishing touches on the knife. That usually seems to be enough but I've little doubt another hour would produce some truly beautiful knives. Then the 5 days at their home forge might do better with 7 or 8 days. Editing could still keep the show to the hour they are now doing.
At any rate, I've never done any blacksmithing but before I discovered this show I had recently thought I'd like to try. I bought a coal forge, Hand crank blower, 165# anvil and a post vise. This year I'll be building a shop for blacksmithing. I also bought some hardwood lump charcoal and some soft coal. At this point my interest is not to make blades but I'll eventually try a few most likely. My thought is if TSHTF I may need that skill, given the world situation now.
logging small time for years but just learning how,  2012 36 HP Mahindra tractor, 3point log arch, 8000# class excavator, lifts 2500# and sets logs on mill precisely where needed,  Peterson ATS upgraded to WPF mill, maple syrup a hobby that consumes my time. looking to learn blacksmithing.