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Diesel made from water! Yes, really!!
« on: April 27, 2015, 01:34:53 pm »
This technology can be a game changer on a global scale.   What do you folks think?   

http://www.gizmag.com/audi-creates-e-diesel-from-co2/37130/

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Re: Diesel made from water! Yes, really!!
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2015, 02:24:35 pm »
I'm going to move it to alternative methods board and ask people respect the rules of that board.
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Re: Diesel made from water! Yes, really!!
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2015, 04:12:07 pm »
They aren't breaking any laws of physics because they are adding energy to the process. Effectively reversing the combustion process to get the CO2 and H20 back into hydrocarbons and oxygen. Basically the same way as a tree uses sunlight to turn the same chemicals into Cellulose, which can then used as a fuel.

Question is where you are going to get that energy from?
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Re: Diesel made from water! Yes, really!!
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2015, 05:12:37 pm »
Hamsters in a wheel would proberly be the most ecnomical..
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Re: Diesel made from water! Yes, really!!
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2015, 05:47:34 pm »
The costly input is electricity.  Use nuclear generated electricity and it may be "sustainable?"
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Re: Diesel made from water! Yes, really!!
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2015, 07:13:45 pm »
Why can't they use the CO2 for the big power plants?  Let the companies that want to burn coal burn it, but require them to capture the CO2.  Could be a win for both of them.

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2015, 09:27:26 pm »
Bruce, they probably can and will, if it ever reaches that scale.
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2015, 11:12:42 am »
The possibility of this becoming a main stream fuel may very well cause the oil refiners to be a bit more realistic with the price of diesel.  As long as there is a premium to pay for the blue fuel it will be at a disadvantage.
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Re: Diesel made from water! Yes, really!!
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2015, 07:59:38 pm »
Back in the early 90's I was paying $.999/gal for highway diesel when gas was $1.399. Now gas locally is $3.729 and diesel is $4.259. If back then diesel was 76.9% of the price of gas, why is it now 114.2% of the price of gas?
We need some new competition in the fuels market. Yes, I realize it is better than last year at this time, but it is still too high.
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Re: Diesel made from water! Yes, really!!
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2015, 08:08:49 pm »
Maple,

Back when I was working at the Defense Energy Support Center, we supply almost all of the diesel fuel to the military, I asked that same question.  The people who purchase million gallons of fuel at a time told me the biggest reason for the big jump in fuel price was because of the 500 to 15 PPM mandate put out by the EPA.  I was told it caused a $1.00 to $1.50 increase per gallon.  Again, this is what I was told by the people who contract and purchase fuel by the millions and millions of gallons.

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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2015, 11:35:40 pm »
Maple,

Back when I was working at the Defense Energy Support Center, we supply almost all of the diesel fuel to the military, I asked that same question.  The people who purchase million gallons of fuel at a time told me the biggest reason for the big jump in fuel price was because of the 500 to 15 PPM mandate put out by the EPA.  I was told it caused a $1.00 to $1.50 increase per gallon.  Again, this is what I was told by the people who contract and purchase fuel by the millions and millions of gallons.

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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2015, 01:59:06 am »
A company in california was making diesel out of algae.  Murdock i will take the special sauce on my hamburger. :D
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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2015, 11:08:43 am »
Here is an update on the algae for fuel status...  consumes a lot of energy to just collect the algae, according to the article. Hopes but no success - yet.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/statoil/2015/02/27/is-algae-the-next-sustainable-biofuel/
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Re: Diesel made from water! Yes, really!!
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2015, 06:51:59 pm »
Thanks for the info.

Here is some also good info i have seen for a while and downloaded these videos on U tube.

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Re: Diesel made from water! Yes, really!!
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2015, 09:52:16 am »
With time everything changes, as long as someone is thinking outside the box and looking for answers/solutions/options is the main thing.   How profitable things are will determine if they last or not or if they were successful.     

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Re: Diesel made from water! Yes, really!!
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2015, 05:16:14 pm »
Rudolf Diesel developed and engine that would run on Vegetable Oil and would eliminate the need for petrol fuel. On his way to the United States to demonstrate his new engine he disappeared.

What would happen to anyone who could make a fuel cheaply enough to compete with Oil?

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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2015, 08:03:23 pm »
People make vegetable diesel everyday. Bio-diesel  nothing much special about the engines. I've always thought it better to burn fossil fuel then your food.
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Re: Diesel made from water! Yes, really!!
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2015, 12:47:06 am »
Years ago a guy in England used to go around to restaurants and take away their used cooking oil (so they wouldn't have to pay to dispose of it). It turned out he was filtering it and using it for fuel. So no fossil fuels used and no food consumed ;D.

There was a post script to the story. The revenue people got wind of it and realized he wasn't paying any road tax on the fuel. But they couldn't figure out who he was and they couldn't find him. So the revenue cops parked outside a village where he was known to collect oil. They knew they'd found him when a car drove by smelling like french fries.
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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2015, 01:22:57 am »
Yes, Brucer, I believe similar instances have occurred here in the US as well. One instance I heard or read about had a fellow who put a sticker on his car saying something like "this car runs on earth-friendly recycled vegetable oil" and the revenue cops caught him and fined him. Ticks me off.  >:(
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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2015, 01:51:23 am »
To be fair, tax is usually added to fuel to help maintain the roads. If you are running on an alternative fuel, then you get to use the roads for free. Here in NZ diesel isn't taxed (as much) at the pump, because a lot is used off road, or by heavy vehicles that are taxed on mileage. So if you run a car or light truck you have to pay "road used charges" based on the kms you drive.  So if you drive with vege oil or something, you still need to pay the RUC.

Electric cars are going to be an issue if they become more popular. At the moment most places let them slip through the cracks, because they want to encourage their uptake. But if a significant number of vehicles were electric, not paying road taxes, then who's paying for the roads? There are already issues with cars becoming more economical, so less fuel is bought, and less tax collected.
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