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Offline shinnlinger

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car axle wood splitter???
« on: May 12, 2014, 09:18:51 pm »
 Ok,

Why wouldn't this work?  weld this all together, Gear the engine down enough to pull the wedge thru the wood or vv.  wrap some cable around an old tire rim and and have a spring or two to return it.  Apply the opposite brake on an open differential axle.

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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2014, 09:22:09 pm »
Gonna try it?

Seems a cable would lack some "umph" to pull a wedge through a block of wood.
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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2014, 09:29:33 pm »
I might try it if you guys don't talk me out of it.  I figure I can gain power to split either in gear reducing  the engine/pto to the axle or using a transmission or rigging the cable block and tackle  style back and forth a few times or all three.  The springs would return it pretty quickly I would think.
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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2014, 10:17:05 pm »
My father ,may he rest it peace built a screw spitter from the axle  and transmission of a Jeep using a power take off from a tractor .14 HP Allis Chalmers model B could split anything you stuck on the screw .

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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2014, 10:43:08 pm »
I actually have a PTO screw splitter from back in the day, but that is a trip to the emergency room.  What I am envisioning would function much like a supersplit or DR rapid split.  As soon as you release the brake handle the wedge would quickly retract.

What I could use some help with is is should the ram or the wedge be powered? Could a 7-8-or 9 horse briggs get it done thru a transmission or some other gear down?  flywheel?  is there a recommended gear ratio for the axle?  Would I just shred the cable by running it at 90 degrees around a pulley?  Am I wasting my time and should I just buy a supersplit?


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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2014, 11:24:20 pm »
I seen one on you tube once, looked but I could not find it again.

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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2014, 11:26:10 pm »
Well a super  split is fast .Now if a person were 20 years old you just might be able to keep up with it--for 15 minutes.

Too much hoopla about cycle time .Regular splitter ,old dude,2-3 cords a day .How much you want unless you try to make a million selling firewood .Never happen .

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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2014, 06:46:43 am »
It could potentially be faster, but I hear ya on hyrdraulic being fast enough for a person only looking to put up wood for themselves. 

The most intriguing aspect of this idea to me is cost over all else.   

 I have a few old Briggs laying around and axles, H beams, transmissions, etc.   I do not have hydro pumps and pistons.   
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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2014, 10:13:18 am »
Might work, just a couple of observations..You gonna need some some cable rated at 30-40 tons. Anchoring the parts down gonna require some serious metal work. Definitely be very short lived, car axle and rim nowhere near capable of withstanding 20 tons of force. Just bite the bullet and go look at surplus center
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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2014, 10:32:59 am »
I have seen a video on youtube of a set up kind of like you describe.   On that set up he had the cable running through a couple sets of pulleys to reduce the strain on the rear end and the cable.  I tried searching for it but couldn't find it.
 

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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2014, 05:56:57 pm »
this type of things  were sold about 30 years ago maybe longer to be attached to a car axle.
Just a spiral wedge.
Put the stick on and stand back IMO.
Dangerous and gas guzzlers even in the 70"s.
A good but somewhat slow hydraulic is better IMO
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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2014, 06:50:54 pm »
As previously mentioned, I am not interested in a screw type splitter as I already have one and their safety concerns are obvious.   Although mounting it on my post hole digger and splitting log length has crossed my mind from time to time.  If I had a skid steer and a hydro motor this would be a no brainer. 

I could see running the axle at 90 degrees to the beam as that would remove one 90 and snaking the cable to both sides and back block and tackle style would lower speed/reduce strain/increase power.  I could also use the other wheel as a shear/chunker.   
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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2014, 12:11:26 am »
... You gonna need some some cable rated at 30-40 tons...

Or you could use a much lighter cable and a multiple-line block and tackle arrangement. You would end up running the axle much faster.

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... Anchoring the parts down gonna require some serious metal work....

With the block and tackle arrangement the key is to have the block and tackle mounted on the I-beam and just the single cable going to the axle.

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... Definitely be very short lived, car axle and rim nowhere near capable of withstanding 20 tons of force...

Which would be a lot less with the block and tackle  ;D.

I've got a 4 ton electric log splitter that I use for splitting wide slabs. I've used it on some 20" plus Douglas-Fir rounds and it rarely gets bogged down. The only downside is, it's slow.

The point is, you could get away with a smaller cable and put less strain on your axle & wheel assembly if you were to sacrifice some speed. The trick is to have something that's weaker than the cable in the system. Stalling out the motor before the cable breaks would work.

this type of things  were sold about 30 years ago maybe longer to be attached to a car axle. ...

Still being sold, too. It's called "the Stickler". You can Google it on the web.


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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2014, 07:31:48 am »
Oops, well shut my mouth.
Shinnliger, I Looked at the pic too quickly.
your design is nothing like the "stickler" that brucer posted.
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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2014, 12:28:17 am »
Actually, you reminded me about it. I remembered reading about it years ago in Mother Earth News. Couldn't for the life of me remember the name. I just did a search on spiral cone logsplitters and there it was ;D.

If they're still making and selling them after all these years, there must be something to them. Personally I think it would kill my back.
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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2014, 05:59:44 am »
Looks rather slow to me.
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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2014, 08:24:14 pm »
As previously mentioned, I am not interested in a screw type splitter as I already have one and their safety concerns are obvious.   Although mounting it on my post hole digger and splitting log length has crossed my mind from time to time.  If I had a skid steer and a hydro motor this would be a no brainer. 
I've been looking for one of those screw splitter for exactly that, to put on my hyd. p.h.d on my skid steer. I have a few hyd. pumps, trade? BTW, I've been wanting to build a small skidding winch with an axle. Your idea made me think of it again.

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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2014, 10:56:19 pm »
I'm heading to Maine in 2 weeks, maybe we should trade some stuff.  I actually drew up a plan for a farmi style 3pt winch first when this splitter idea came to me.  There was a guy on farm show who had a wood processing trailer he hooked to his tractor pto that had a splitter that was axle and cable powered but with other stuff like an unloading feature and winch to load big hunks, it worked well for him so I know it can be done.   

 I will probably try it and if it doesn't work out use the axle for the winch idea.  I went out back to check on my axle collection the other day and it aint what it used to be.  I will try to get a heavy duty low gear unit with intact brake system to make life easier.  My current inventory is  pretty hammered however a few have offset pumpkins.   If I took a short side axle shaft from one unit and cut the long side tube on another to match I would have a narrower unit that would sneak thru the woods better.   
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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2014, 02:04:20 pm »
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Re: car axle wood splitter???
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2014, 04:35:05 pm »
I like the idea of letting it slip via the other drum in lieu of using a transmission.  I wonder how the diff will hold up continually slipping but think the wear will be on the brake pads vs the oil bathed ring and pinion....
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