squatters

[redpowerd]

how do we deal with em?

[Haytrader]

durn it red

this falls into the catagory of
yadidn'ttellusnearenough

[Tom]

this sounds like a subject that might go away.  

[redpowerd]

i really dont think the forum needs to know about over biddin land grabbers, just thougt id ask if anyone here has some squatters, and what they do or say with em,.
taxes are gettin steep here ;Dand im thinkin thiese squatters should caugh up or caugh out.
they get free graze on ALL the deer covering around 300 acres?(nusance permits)
thanks

[redpowerd]

tom, quit,
serious, id like to know of dealings with squatters and what the law has done with them

yes tom, this will go away quick, as soon as i find the birdshot

[Tom]

Don't trespassing laws deal with them?

Looks like you need to set your IM announcer.

[redpowerd]

tresspassing laws deal with tresspassers

[redpowerd]

thought i made it clear that these folks have rights to hunt, not to camp.

im wondering of the conversations

[Tom]

contrary to popular belief, your property is still yours whether they want to live on it or not.  I'd cancel any hunting rights for people who wanted to abuse the privilege. I'd back it up with posted signs and a note to the local Sheriff too, just so he knew I was having a problem.

[redpowerd]

i enjoy keeping the law off my land, less its a lawer on retainer
conversations, then cops?

[Tom]

A note telling the sheriff that you were having trespassing problems doesn't necessarily mean that you are asking him to be envolved.  It does, however, alert him to your having a problem and that you might be requesting his help.  It comes in handy sometimes to set a precedent with authorities when you are beginning to have a confrontation with a third party.  If something does go awry, you have already alerted someone that you are in the right.   You never know what the third party will do.  Some of those idiots might try to put you in a compromising situation.  That would make it nice for the Sheriff to already have on record that you you were dealing with the jerk and might go a long way in proving that you were seet up.  Some of our citizens are good at harrassment.

[redpowerd]

motion taken, motion read
good point. not looking to talk to uncle randy, local JP

[redpowerd]

let this feel out to some folks that have delt with squatters, and how deep we are with them, what if this squatter has kids, takes your deer pop down, and kicks in when he sees harvest season?guess hes just suckin up? right?

[Duane_Moore]

   Let's see, how's this go.. Well the Wyoming Cattlemens Association, says to Hire a Man Name of   Tom Horn, will take care of squatters.   Duh---Duane ======  that tell ya anything.

[Rod]

Here if a squatter clears the land and lives on it for 10 years he can get a deed for it and then he has to pay the land taxes .

Or you can post your land with sigins every 50 feet apart that says,''POSTED'',you can buy the signs at Lowe's,they come on rolls were they tear apart like trash bags do.

[FeltzE]

My wife (before we got married) had some farm property, a family of non-residents pulled up made camp in the barn with their own cows while they were out on vacation.

The law protected the non-residents from "eviction for 30 days"  Wife said they weren't allowed to turn off water and power to the barn by court order. .....

Good thing I wasn't around then I'd probably be in jail for running them offffffffffff.,

NC

Eric

[slowzuki]

I don't think I understand how you speak

You're asking how others have dealt with squatters, how many squatters, if the squatters had kids, if the squatter ate your deer bait and if the squatter helped out on the farm?

let this feel out to some folks that have delt with squatters, and how deep we are with them, what if this squatter has kids, takes your deer pop down, and kicks in when he sees harvest season?guess hes just suckin up? right?

[Brian_Bailey]

Here in NY, there are two kinds of trespass. 1) criminal and 2) environmental.

You need to post your land properly against trespass in order to get the law (police) to take action against trespassers unless a crime is being committed by the trespassers.

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?cl=82&a=31

[Buzz-sawyer]

Hears my take on interpreting this....You invited them to kill deer that were a pest,they helpout on the farm, they are taking advantage of the relationship/friendship,
and you are conflicted about the situation,
and decided to relax with a few beers?

[slowzuki]

Ah ha! I gottcha now!  A hunter was invited to hunt to keep the deer population down and has started bringing his children to hunt.  They help out farming to "repay" for the right to hunt on your land.

They now have built a camp and are living on your land.  Here I was thinking you had a family of illegals living in your woods stealing your deer bait


Ok, lots of that goes on here, usually without asking or permission.  Generally the landowner will ask them not to camp on their land / tell them to tear down their camp.  If they don't comply the landowner usually burns it down or moves it and uses it for themselves.

Most hunters are reasonable about respecting landowners especially if it is a good hunting ground.  Tell the man you can't have him camping/living on your land for insurance reasons or something like that but they're welcome to continue hunting during days.  Make sure they take down the camp too.

[etat]

around here ALL land is posted.  don't have to have a sign.  no on can legally hunt, or tresspass on your land without written permission. lots of the larger tracts are tied up with hunting clubs. this came about by too many hunters, four wheelers, and four wheel drives abusing the land.  if you do get on somebody's property, you're liable to come out facing a law, a game warden, or an angry landowner with a shotgun.

[redpowerd]

zuky got the jist of it, all you folks are thinkin criminal
he trapped off slap-tails that flooded 50 acres, we give him all the tags he needs, lives minimally


taxes? or forever farm?

[redpowerd]

gotta work something out here, essentially he built me a hunting camp, complete with a garden and a cleared pasture.
im thinking of proof of purchase(materials into the camp), rent, taxes on what hes soaked up for land, minus an hourly wage at the barn. lots of stipulations and id hate to say'lawer'
cant run a freind off that gave so much and has taken so little
but when you deal with govt money that drags so many strings......
seems if it was back before the 30s, id be happy to let someone who was more than appreciative squat, but were so tangled up on who does what and where do you sign this that our spirit is busted up into communisim,
time for a boston tea party, lets go squatter

[Brian_Bailey]

Red,  

I'm too busy to be play'n cat & mouse games with ya.

Your first two posts asked for advice on how the law deals with squatters. I pointed you to the law in NY.

I'm sorry I got involved in this thread  .

 

[DanG]

Maybe you could work out some sort of lease agreement with the guy, if you want to protect yourself, while not losing the friend or the benefits of having him there.  A good lease contract gives him the legal right to be there, prevents him from claiming the land in the future, and describes what he can, and cannot do.  It also should help release you from some of the liability issues.  A personal contract like this may not be airtight in court, but will go a long way toward establishing what the intent of the relationship is.  That would be the "prior intent" factor that Tom mentioned.

[Jeff]

Brian I got to agree. Red, knock it off. If you want to start a post about something, fine, but quit playing language games or whatever it is you do. Its a waste of our server space and most of our time when it takes two days to figure out what the hell your talking about. As interesting as some of this stuff is, find a better way to present it or these threads will get deleted before they have a chance. Thats what Tom was talking about in the first place.

When is the last time you even made a post related to any relevant topic on this FORESTRY FORUM?

So, here is the new rule. If you dont start a thread with a clearly thought out statement that at least I can understand, its gone as soon as I see it. Now I got work to do.

[redpowerd]

this makes me sick
my heart went into this board and i get shunned cause i have cedar between my teeth
unlike you   folks, i dont have time right now to  play on the interconecct. im sorry brian, but i never asked about how the law would handle the spot im in
im only askin if someone had squatters and how they speak to them

never ment to get kicked or brused for postin a thread, oh,
farm on, lets go,FARM ON

[redpowerd]

jeff, no skunk on your hands and no skunk on mine, just an honest question.
hes a good cat that brings in canada goose and big toms and dried up does

please dont kick me off for picking peoples minds of squatters
the only thing i asked for is if folkes have delt whith em

sorry to stir anythin up
i dont think i would ever ask how the law deals whith them, its not that kinda woods


thanks to all that have read, i know im a stubborn sob, least you read. god is with you

[Brian_Bailey]

tom, quit,
serious, id like to know of dealings with squatters and what the law has done with them

yes tom, this will go away quick, as soon as i find the birdshot

Red,  

Squatters on your land are trespassers. Unless you have a different definition for em  .  

You did ask about the law.  
My post gave you the only lawful way of dealing with them in NY.
Birdshot is not an option unless you want Uncle Randy to provide free housing for you   .

Your post went from squatters to a disagreement between an acquaintance.  The same law still applies.

Sorry if my post helped trip Jeff's ire, like I said, " I"m sorry I got involved in this thread  ."

[Mark M]

Well I don't know much about this but I do know in some states there is something called "Adverse Possession" where someone can legally take your property by using it without your permission for a certain period of time. I think this is what was mentioned above. You might want to check into this a little more as some people are pretty unscrupulous.

[Brian_Bailey]

Mark,  

That can happen in NY on unimproved property. If the person can show that they have maintained the property for at least 10 yrs., they might be able to take possesion of it. This happens mostly in housing developments where a building lot is left unimproved.

The way to protect your property from this happening to you, is too properly post against trespass .

[Jeff]

this makes me sick
my heart went into this board and i get shunned cause i have cedar between my teeth
unlike you   folks, i dont have time right now to  play on the interconecct. im sorry brian, but i never asked about how the law would handle the spot im in
im only askin if someone had squatters and how they speak to them

never ment to get kicked or brused for postin a thread, oh,
farm on, lets go,FARM ON

You aint getting kicked or bruised. Your getting woke up is all. We had a little talk once before about this if you remember.

Red, you are a welcome member of this forum. I'm simply asking you to put a little time into your posts for the benefit of your fellow members so we know what the heck we are reading so we can respond. I am apoligizing to you here and now for getting my dander up but its hard to reach out and just shake ya from here so I gotta do it with words.

Now simmer down, knock the dust off and fergive me or I'll have ta whoop ya when I see ya.

[Kedwards]

One thing to be careful of especially when people use your farm land is to make sure that they sign a liability waiver. If you don't "Mr squatter" and his kids get injured on your land.. it aint your land no more..Another thing is be nice, set the limits on the interaction by telling him you appreciate all he has done, but only he can hunt here and he can't live there. Personally I don't let anyone hunt or fish our farm..one bad day and your land is gone.

[crtreedude]

How to deal with squatters:

Actually, I am not sure you have a squatter, but they could become one with you don't legalize it.  

What you do have is a sharecropper from what I can tell. A person who works your land and gives you some of the proceeds is a sharecropper. You still own the land, but they have usuage of it for some return to you.

A squatter is a person who sneaks in while your land is vacant (or by force) and "improves" your land to such a degree that they can claim that the land was abandoned and therefore they have a right to it because they have taken care of it.

These laws generally are quite old and usually date from when the states were not so well settled.

So, even though you do not like the law or lawyers, if you do not want to wake up someday and find you do not have your land, get it in writing. If the person does not want to, have them evicted.

Just so the person remains friends, I just tell them that you know how society is, everyone suing everyone else.

By the way, squatters are a real problem in Costa Rica. In 3 months time they can have some rights to your land. However, they never bother land that is active, only land that is left alone. This of course means many a foreignor goes to Costa Rica and buys land, ignores it and then comes back the next year and finds they don't own it anymore.

Eighty percent of the land in Costa Rica is owned without title, it is just starting to change. The reason is that about 30 years ago, much of the country was still rainforest. To claim land, all you had to do was clear the jungle and plant something, which would take at least 3 months!  

Now the government will protect your land from squatters and they have no rights to your land if you are filed under the law for reforestation. Isn't life strange? Thirty years ago, you could claim land by improving it by cutting down all of the trees, now you improve land by letting the trees grow!

Fred

[Ron Scott]

If you have full ownership to the property, I'm not sure why you are condoning squatters on your land. By allowing the practice, you are slowly giving up your property rights.