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Pine/Hemlock pricing?
« on: March 01, 2013, 02:51:00 am »
I am new at buying logs. Here in NY they sell them by the 1000bf. I have been trying to find some prices but not sure where I should be with buying white pine and hemlock. Looking for some ideas of what logs like this would cost. Thank you

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Re: Pine/Hemlock pricing?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2013, 06:04:23 am »
Here are the stumpage price reports for NY. There are a lot of variables to add to the cost of logs. Location of timber, etc.
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Re: Pine/Hemlock pricing?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2013, 06:11:03 am »
Try the sawlog bulletin in nh.gd luck
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Re: Pine/Hemlock pricing?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2013, 12:06:54 pm »
You have to kind of set the pricing based on what you are going to saw and sell it for. Hemlock stumpage here in PA ranges from a few bucks a ton on the stump for guys that buy it that way to 80 bucks per mbf stumpage. Logs may go anywhere from 200-500 per mbf, depending on what it is and who's buying. I cut some real nice stuff and made 24 and 26 foot barn beam logs out of it, they paid real good, but those are the exception not the rule.  Depending on where you are in NY you may or may not have competition for white pine. Down here you can barely give the lumber away, which is a shame. The mill I work for has a bunch of 1x12 pine stickered in the barn, been collecting dust for 4 years. And most of its clear!  Just no demand for it.
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Re: Pine/Hemlock pricing?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2013, 02:21:50 pm »
Call the mills and log yards near you. Ask them for their price spec/sheets,. This will give you an idea the going rate in your area. With this information you need to contact some loggers and or truckers near you and work out a deal based on volume and location/trucking distance. If you want a consistent supply you should try to work with a few suppliers regularly. Over time if you consider their interests they will consider yours... 
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Re: Pine/Hemlock pricing?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2013, 02:41:10 pm »
Hemlock should be quite a bit cheaper than white pine.Or in my area it is.
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Re: Pine/Hemlock pricing?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2013, 03:24:02 pm »
As of right now I talked with a logger who is selling white pine and hemlock at the rate of 225.00 a 1000bf of logs. I called another logger that offered me a 1000.00bf of logs for 240.00-250.00 any suggestions on these prices

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Re: Pine/Hemlock pricing?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2013, 04:42:14 pm »
Justinmay,
Is that a delivered price?
What scale?
Here I pay from 250 to 350 Doyle delivered for Hemlock and Pine.
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Re: Pine/Hemlock pricing?
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2013, 04:47:17 pm »
Where are you in New York? That makes a difference, but is about the norm for where Im at in PA by the NY border. Petefrombearswamp probably isnt too far from me either, couple hours maybe. But again, not to burst your bubble but what are you going to do with these logs and what is your lumber market. If you can only sell boards for .28 cents a bd ft buying them for .25 isnt going to make you any money. If you don't really know your markets for finished product and what prices the lumber market will support you are putting the cart before the horse. My .02 cents
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Re: Pine/Hemlock pricing?
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2013, 07:08:44 pm »
Im selling Hemlock for $250 per thousand on the landing to a local mill. If I have excess that they cant take I sell it to a Canadian mill for $225 per thousand but I have to load there trucks. But the big mill will take all they can get. Buying it on the stump for $70 per thousand.
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Re: Pine/Hemlock pricing?
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2013, 02:53:03 am »
Well I have a buyer for around .35 a bf just something to get my feet wet on this mill its all learning at this point but thanks again for all the great info well apriciated.

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Re: Pine/Hemlock pricing?
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2013, 07:34:45 am »
I have been offered 22/ton on the landing for red pine.  I have been using the calculators on this site to try to figure out what this is per mbf. Based on the calculators a 20" log which is 8" on the small end is 20 feet (Doyle) and weighs about 433lbs.   So I would need 5 20" logs to make a ton and 10 20" logs to make a mbf.   If my math is correct this works out to $4.78 / 20' log or $47.80/ mbf.  Did I do this correct?  No where near the $250/mbf that quoted from this post, or is Red Pine really worthless?



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Im selling Hemlock for $250 per thousand on the landing to a local mill. If I have excess that they cant take I sell it to a Canadian mill for $225 per thousand but I have to load there trucks. But the big mill will take all they can get. Buying it on the stump for $70 per thousand.
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Re: Pine/Hemlock pricing?
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2013, 08:15:04 am »
Just for some more numbers on hemlock the mill I use is paying $220 MBF delivered min 8" tops and sells green hemlock lumber at $0.45 a BF cash and carry.

edit - That Int 1/4 rule.

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Re: Pine/Hemlock pricing?
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2013, 08:47:50 am »
Admittedly I am a small potatoes guy.
I am stationary.
My gross was only 10,000 or so for the year, with expenses of 3,000 or so.
I pay as i posted earlier, 25 to 35 per mbf for my logs Doyle scale and sell for .55 to .65 per bd ft depending in width of product.
My help when I have it is a destitute neighbor who i pay 8 per hr UTT and give him the slabs so labor costs are minimal.
The mill keeps me busy in the summer months and pays for my trips to WY for elk, Canada for Walleye and the Adirondacks for Whitetail.
My yard is cramped and i move a lot of logs and lumber around and am not very efficient.
I am obviously not in this for the money because My wife and I can live on our pensions, SS and right now my IRA.
At 75 my aches and pains are catching up to me so may have to re assess the mill work.
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