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Offline fencerowphil (Phil L.)

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You can't Lose with the Saw I Use!
« on: January 17, 2002, 05:26:43 pm »
Okay, so I'm brazenly stealing SawyerAl's idea from another forum (WoodWeb: Sawing and Drying)

Whatever you mill with....  Please give a quick description of what you cut, where you are and make and model.

And make it snappy! 8)

Phil L.     Central/South Georgia, USA   090 Stihl w/ Alaskan mill.  Mainly want to focus on unusual cuts, not dimension wood.  
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Re: You can't Lose with the Saw I Use!
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2002, 06:09:11 pm »
I have one on my forehead but it`s almost healed .
                   
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Re: You can't Lose with the Saw I Use!
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2002, 06:25:54 pm »
Well Phil,  I don't mind reporting that I have sawn in N. Florida and S. Ga. with a Woodmizer LT40HD on a trailer for the past 12 years and belong to their Million Foot club.  I have cut Oak, Pine, Bay, Gum, Holly and Camphor to name a few of the local woods and have been lucky enough to be asked to cut imports from Australia, S. America, South Florida and other foreign lands.

I have cut trees with history, The Spyglass Oak and Ohio's champion Cottonwood.  I have sawed pine planted by an older generation and used in Grandsons and Great Grandsons homes today.  That little mill and I have sawed the wood for barns, houses, fences, churches, trailer decks, furniture, paneling, cabinets, baseball bats, laminated bows, bowls, wagons and boats in a circle around Jacksonville, Fl. from St. Mary's Ga. to Race Pond and Folkston to St. George  to McClenny Fl. and around to Middleburg and St. Augustine.  We have traveled to jobs as far away as Two Egg in the Panhandle and Ft. Pierce on the east coast.  It needs rebuilding but is still functional and a fine machine. :)

I also have a Baker 3638D.
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Re: You can't Lose with the Saw I Use!
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2002, 07:13:43 pm »
CMC Technologies Full Auto Commercial. With 3 blade vertical edger and full lasers. 20,000 to 30,000 bf avg production per day.  Species: Northern Hardwoods.

Northern lower Michigan.

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Re: You can't Lose with the Saw I Use!
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2002, 09:44:23 pm »
woodmizer hd-40, cut native NH wood have some ongoing contracts and some just customers.  part time so far about 80,000 bd ft per year,  6 years into it. used to be just a firewood maker.  still a high school physics teacher.  still make firewood.
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Re: You can't Lose with the Saw I Use!
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2002, 12:01:04 pm »
Morbark of Canada circle mill with 2 saw vertical edger.  Cutting grade lumber and blocking.  Average production 12-18 Mbf, depending on species and log size.

Primary species are red oak, tulip poplar, ash and white oak.  Minor species include hickory, cherry, walnut, maple, black locust, white pine and hemlock.

Products sawn is primarily 4/4 lumber for the cabinet, furniture and casket markets.  Also saw 5/4 and 6/4 oak, 10/4, 12/4, 16/4 tulip poplar for the Canadian market.

Blocking is primarily 3 1/2 x 6 for the pallet market.  Also saw 7 x 9 railroad ties and railroad bridge timbers from 8 x 8 to 10 x 17
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Re: You can't Lose with the Saw I Use!
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2002, 02:23:27 pm »
Morbark of Canada? Ron, I'll bet that mill was built in my backyard and just sold through Canada. Morbark plant is 1/2 hour from here in Winn Michigan.  The founder of Morbark Norval "Nubb" Morey was my boss's brother in law.

Our first mill was a morbark, which we wore out and replaced with the CMC. CMC is the old Forestall company, and the Morbark sawmilll is simply a knockoff of that. So, I imagine our mills are vey much alike.

Funny, when we bought a new mill, we could have gotten one from down the road but we bought the CMC out of New Hampshire. I think the Company is now called Hilltop supply.
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Re: You can't Lose with the Saw I Use!
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2002, 05:00:01 pm »
Well, it looks like only Kevin can read directions.
(He can't take care of himself, but at least he reads the directions.)
Phil L.

Keep 'em comin', millers!
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2002, 04:19:20 am »
This sawmill was made at North Bay, Ont.  They came in and low balled all the competition, then cut corners to make a profit.  We had major problems with design and some of their quality.  They used cheap bearings, for example.  Fast forward wasn't very fast.  

We have eventually re-engineered everything.  We do that with most equipment that have engineers who do the design, but have never used the equipment.  It helps to have a mechanical engineer that can design things when I tell him what I want.

Morbark sold the Canadian operations a number of years ago, probably about 10.  The Canadian managment eventually run it into financial trouble.  Since then, it has been sold to a Canadian mill manufacturer, but I can't remember the name right now.

I went with Canadian Morbark, since their design was identical to the US Morbark.  I knew the parts would be interchangable.  We are still dealing with unknown cyclinders that no one seems to know where they came from.

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Re: You can't Lose with the Saw I Use!
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2002, 06:02:09 am »
I have 2 Mobile Dimension Mill, both Model 128's.  The first mill is inside of a building, the second on a factory trailer.  It is one of a kind, however.  It has a number of bells and whistles in the form of hydraulics: loaders, log rollers, automatic log dogs, rack and pinion lifting of carrage and track.  The third is a head rig with a 52" blade. the Mobile Mills can cut  logs 4 1/2 ' in diameter, the one inside cuts up to 24' and the outside 18'.   The head rig is limited to 24' also.  I cut primarely Douglas fir dimensional lumber for construction as well as a large variety of hardwoods for woodworkers.
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Re: You can't Lose with the Saw I Use!
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2002, 06:29:42 am »
Ron, your choice between the Canadian and U.S. Morbark was based on price then?  That was why we chose the cmc. But over the years we would have saved the cost of the mill if we would have bought the morbark simply in reduced down time. Its pretty handy when the part we need is only a half hour away, problem is only about half the time is the morbark part the same as the CMC.

I guess that is a good concideration when these guys are looking to buy a mill. Price of the mill means only a  little in the scheme of things. Quality, part availability, and parts compatability are a much more important aspect then sticker price.  
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2002, 10:43:22 am »
Price was the ONLY issue.  Montgomery mills are within 50 miles, and they are a Frick knockoff.  Mills are well made, and custom built.  We had talked to them prior, but never had them come up with a design.

We were running Jackson mills.  They are a great little mill, especially their portable jobs.  Very low tech.  Their commercial mills are well built.  Mgmt never contacted them.

We had a local mill salesman come up with a design.  His theory is if he doesn't handle it, you don't need it.  His prices were too high, so we went factory direct.

I came up with a mill design, then the salesmen took over.  We also had an industrial engineer at our disposal.  Mgmt decided to listen to the salesman, and froze me and the engineer out of the process.  So, I got to sit back and get entertained.

The salesman sold us a 40 yr old gen set.  It was off of an on dozer, and was barely enough power for our needs.  Then we had to get electric motors that fit the Canadian power scheme.  Those are primarily used in mining and are hard to find and expensive to replace.  They also sold us a new saw that I couldn't even buy teeth for unless it was special order.

Morbark does have an excellent mill.  It is heavy duty and runs well, now that we've made some improvements.  In this case, their support equipment was sub-par.

The point of this story is that equipment should be bought with the guys who know something about how they should operate and how they should be built.  Salesman are only interested in the deal and moving merchandise.

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Re: You can't Lose with the Saw I Use!
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2002, 06:17:58 am »
Ok I use a Husky. But I don't mill with it so I guess that leaves me out of this thread. :D

But I do use it to saw the logs to take to the mill. ;)
Afterall someone has to get the logs for all of you to saw.

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Re: You can't Lose with the Saw I Use!
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2002, 07:09:11 pm »
Come on guys,

Tell us what you use.  There must be plenty more sawyers out there in ForestryForum land.
Phil L.
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Re: You can't Lose with the Saw I Use!
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2002, 04:55:05 am »
Started out in 94 with a Wood-Mizer LT40G18.  A couple of years ago we added a 96 Wood-Mizer LT40HDG35 Super.  Sold the 96 Super a couple of weeks before Christmas and ordered a new Wood-Mizer LT40HDE25-RA.  Then a little over a week ago we sold the 94 LT40G18.  

We installed the new Super at the end of last week and just have 5 hours on it.

We saw grade hardwood - mostly red oak, farm lumber, shipping blocking, novelty blanks, survey stakes, and aromatic red cedar.  We also do custom sawing and have a Blockbuster firewood processor.
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2002, 03:18:26 pm »
Alright! 8)  That's one more.

Keep 'em comin', guys.
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2002, 03:29:18 pm »
Don't worry, Bibbyman,
We haven't forgotten the real secret to your success:
The Proverbs Woman,  Mary. ;)

How does the verse go?

She considereth a woodlot and buyeth the timber thereon.
Makes so much money a sawin', makes other work seem ... just for fun. ;D

Phil L.
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Re: You can't Lose with the Saw I Use!
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2002, 07:52:56 am »
OK Phil, If you insist:

I have a custom mill that I built and it looks very much like any four post machine with an 18 hp vangard engine. It takes a 13'2"  11/4blade and will saw up to 36 diameter logs. It is on a trailer and will saw 9'6" logs. I plan to build an extension next year.  Have all the material, just have not found the time.

Just finished painting it real Ford Red. It is so pretty. ;D

I whack logs part-time on weekends. Mostly Oak.
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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2002, 11:03:10 am »
Thank goodness, Papa,
You didn't paint it you-know-who ORANGE! :D
Thanks,
Phil L.
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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2002, 06:01:02 pm »
A Wood Wizard, all manual, does a decent job. Mill mostly hardwood, main hobby.
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