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Offline GeneWengert-WoodDoc

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Re: Sealing log ends
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2012, 08:38:59 am »
Anchorseal can have antifreeze.

Latex paint is slightly affective, but it must be acrylic, which does not breath as much as interior wall paint.  I did mention acrylic in my earlier post but some seem to have missed this.

Anchorseal on logs does not weather much if the product is put on thick enough and the ends are not frozen or muddy.  We tested it for six months...June to Dec and it was still ok.  Do not apply a thin coat, like painting a wall.  It must be quite thick or, for Rembrandt of Picasso type people, use two coats.  If you use a sprayer, get a thick coating and do not use a fine mist.
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Re: Sealing log ends
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2012, 08:54:56 am »
Well the anchorseal used in these parts is of course winter type .It'll handle 6 months but much longer than that it seems to fade out fast .Now maybe if a person took the time to recoat every so often that would not be a factor .

Again though as I said with a majority of the hobbyist type woodworkers in this area as myself the method of accumulating  a small catche of logs before they are milled is less than ideal .

Keep in mind though as my avatar says this is right smack dab in the middle of a giant cornfield and that is no exageration .Illinois and Iowa might claim to be big corn states but this part of Ohio runs a pretty good second or third .

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Re: Sealing log ends
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2012, 10:55:06 am »
I get original formula Anchorseal from a local woodturning club for $10 per gallon. They buy it in bulk thus the savings to the members. I always apply two thick coats to log ends with a 4" brush.

For my limited needs, it's the best option, primarily because of the ease of application and water cleanup.

Prior to getting my own mill, I would often use various colors of paint on the log ends just to identify which logs I wanted sawn a certain way. I would normally leave my trailer of logs at the sawyer's house with sawing instructions inside a plastic baggie attached. He was rarely home when I'd drop off the logs and seemed to appreciate the color coding. 
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Re: Sealing log ends
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2012, 11:42:10 am »
Ive been using acrylic later paint for about two years and it does a great job. My brother who used to work for sears got a pile of one gallon cans for 50 cents each people decided they didnt want after they had been mixed. Ive never used Anchorseal so i can compare. I can say ive run tests of unsealed ends and those with the paint and its like night and day better.

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Re: Sealing log ends
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2012, 12:04:53 pm »
I guess as life is you learn by your mistakes .I had some stuff I had tarred then cut a cookie off and it was milled .I dilly dallyed around coating the fresh sawn stuff with anchor seal and sure enough got splits some so much  so I lost 18" off each end .

A fact that recently annoyed me after I went through an entire stack  just to find two 12"  planks clear enough to get 12 feet out of to make a fireplace mantle .Shoulda,coulda, woulda .

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« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2012, 01:32:55 pm »
I got a guy stopped by yesterday asking for a mantel 10"x 8'x3"thick. Clear red oak. What would you think a fair price would be to charge him AL?

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« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2012, 02:39:11 pm »
I have no idea what the lumber prices would be in Pa for a clear piece of oak like that.You're looking at approx 24 Bd ft plus premium price if it were straight clear I should think .Cash talks though but Lawdy don't trade him for an old shotgun and a 14 year old coon dog  :D .Joking of course because I live in the land of the "horse traders "

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Re: Sealing log ends
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2012, 04:40:28 pm »
Ive used the Baileys end seal for years.   The five gallon bucket will last two or three years since I do mostly hobby sawing.   I did have to add water to it in year two as it thickened up in the container.  Since it is an emulsion it thins up with the water with no problem.

I have used exterior latex paint also.  We have a hot low humidity climate so I always use two thick coats if I go with the paint.  Get some cracking with one coat.   Baileys end seal one thick coat, generally no cracking.
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Re: Sealing log ends
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2012, 07:25:08 pm »
Ok, I'm convinced that Anchor Seal or this Baileys is the way to go.  All I've used so far is Kool Seal roof coating but that stuff is MORE expensive. It works great and I was able to color it with food coloring for color coding the wood.
Was able to saw through it with No problems and yet it sticks good. Didn't gum up the blade either. But like I say it's prohibitavely expensive. So I will go with one of the others.
But I have to ask. Any ideas for coloring it or should I just pay the extra to buy it colored? Seems to me it wood be cheaper to buy 5 gallons and just divide into gallons I can color. Lord knows I have plenty of empty paint cans I can use!
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Re: Sealing log ends
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2012, 08:23:47 pm »
I strongly encourage you to use Badger Red coloring.

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Re: Sealing log ends
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2012, 10:09:52 pm »
I personally like Red & Black  ;D.

Bedway, I would charge $4.50 per BF for the clear red oak mantle if it was dry.
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Re: Sealing log ends
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2012, 12:41:38 am »
Bedway, I would charge $4.50 per BF for the clear red oak mantle if it was dry.
How would you dry it, WDH, and how long would it take? Seems like it would be air-drying for years.

At this point, I would have to sell them green. I would be charging around $3 / bf green, that is premium wood.
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Re: Sealing log ends
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2012, 07:06:10 am »
It takes a couple of years down here.  Your patience will be rewarded.
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« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2012, 07:45:31 am »
Well look at it like this .The guy is going to have 100-125 in the chunk of oak . Depending might have another 50 in it depending on how much ginger bread he puts on it .That thing will last 15 life times and is only a fraction of the cost had he had it custom made .

I got a grand total of almost nothing in that raised panal ash mantle I made .A few pennies for the sawyer and maybe 10-15 in stain and clear coat .I'll about bet a cabenite maker  would have laid a bill on me for over a thou for that thing .What ,two days of my  time ,big deal .

Geeze I could have spent those two days drinking beer and watching football or watching the grass grow which is about the same thrill to me .The ash was a much better use of my time and I still had a brew at the end of the day . ;)

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« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2012, 08:51:54 pm »
Geeze I could have spent those two days drinking beer and watching football or watching the grass grow which is about the same thrill to me .The ash was a much better use of my time and I still had a brew at the end of the day . ;)

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Re: Sealing log ends
« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2012, 08:21:39 am »
Well beer is good for you contains vitamin P .

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« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2012, 11:04:57 pm »
Well beer is good for you contains vitamin P .

But-- does it work for sealing log ends?
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« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2012, 03:09:17 pm »
It works for spalting logs, I think ;)
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« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2012, 05:23:28 pm »
Alright already I'll tell ya a beer story .My long time friend I've known since I was 9-10 years old about all his adult life had a beer keg on tap in his garage .Oh we'ed visit sip some suds and get rid of it behind his garage for some time ,years

One day out of the clear blue he says to me ,say Al you have white oak trees don't you .Well of course lots of them .So he says there's a bunch of shiitake mushroms on some white oak sticks  behind my garage .Spread them out in your woods and  see what happens so I did .

Well I couldn't figure out what on earth I got on my hands that smelled so bad --then it dawned on me . :D Never did grow any mushrooms .

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« Reply #39 on: November 23, 2012, 06:22:19 pm »
It works for spalting logs, I think ;)

No, that's malting.
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