Author Topic: Timberjack 353 starter (Read 842 times)

madmari · « **on:** January 16, 2012, 05:50:35 pm »

Anyone have tricks to remove the starter from a TJ208 with a 3-53? Got two bolts, can't even see the third!
Also, rear wheel is leaking grease. Is there a seal?

Bad day- two skidders down at -10F and lots of wood to move......

smwwoody · « **Reply #1 on:** January 16, 2012, 06:03:32 pm »

a few extensions a universal or 2 and a 12 point socket. The third bolt is on the back side between the block and the starter. long extention to reach the length of the starter

madmari · « **Reply #2 on:** January 16, 2012, 06:13:14 pm »

Looks like the oil filter has to come off first in order to get a ratchet anywhere near the rear of the starter. What a pain in the arse.

timbuck2 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 16, 2012, 06:27:49 pm »

I had my wife take off the last bolt, she has alot smaller hands than I do.

madmari · « **Reply #4 on:** January 16, 2012, 06:33:19 pm »

Mine has no idea what a skidder is or what it does. She thinks a choker is a yard boss in Alaska and a slider is a choke-setter in Oregon on a steep muddy hill. You are a lucky man.

jocco · « **Reply #5 on:** January 16, 2012, 06:45:42 pm »

MADMARI: YES take of oil filter, If you have the fuel filters above the oil filter pull one if not both. There is 3 bolts (starter mt30 series delco) The bottom one most used to leave out. you will need several exstentions and wobble or u joints. Have seen a hole cut in frame to get at one and other went up through bottom.

There is several places to get them rebuilt or replaced let me know if you need reference. They can get exspencive.

You may find some on other detroits and change the " clock position to fit" most were externanl rotated. I just dealt with 2 this weekend. water/moister is a big issue on them as there o ring sealed just drill a small hole in the bottom of case

Do not hit the fields

hope this helps.

madmari · « **Reply #6 on:** January 16, 2012, 07:02:34 pm »

Thanks- last one I did was on a IH S7 with a 3-53 and it was a pleasure. This one, not so much.

FFLM · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2012, 07:15:06 pm »

You say axel is leaking? Could be the axel seal, between the axel and planitary. I have two that leak really good in the summer and not so much in the winter

I was planning on replaceing them after doing the center pins a couple weeks back, but when I was done with the centers I decided I had enough wrenching for a while.

smwwoody · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2012, 07:26:14 pm »

is it leaking around the pins in the planetary? 208s have light planetarys.

madmari · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2012, 07:31:24 pm »

Leaking behind the wheel, between the hub and axle housing. Leaking pretty good, too. 80-90 wt is a pain to transfer at these cold temps; wouldn't think it would leak at sub-zero. It certainly doesn't like to leave the pail!

timbuck2 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2012, 07:32:31 pm »

Moisture is def a problem, watch out water doesn't run down the exhaust pipe right onto the starter. Last rebuilt 3 yrs ago for $45 in St J, still works great.

lumberjack48 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 16, 2012, 07:35:00 pm »

I changed many starters on a 353, but not on a TJ.

The one bolt up behind the starter was a 12 point bolt, 9/16.

The wife changed the last one, it was about -20, when she hooked up the solenoid she tightened just a little more [ cracked it ] she knew better, back to town.

Theres a little dirt causing the seal to leak, take a table knife, right at the end bend it over about a inch long at a 90 degree angle, run this around a few times to clean the dirt out.

madmari · « **Reply #12 on:** January 16, 2012, 07:36:45 pm »

Last starter I did was $276., plus the dreaded down time and road time getting rebuild.

madmari · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2012, 07:38:54 pm »

I cracked the solenoid on this one cleaning the contacts. They break easy when cold, so tell your wife she is forgiven......

timbuck2 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 16, 2012, 07:57:27 pm »

Wife just said the bottom 12 pt bolt went on from up underneath the frame.

OntarioAl · « **Reply #15 on:** January 16, 2012, 10:43:54 pm »

Madmari
When you get the starter out check the brushes you may just find that one or both have had the springs "cooked" by high current low voltage cold weather cranking. The springs loose their tension and the brush does not made contact replace the brushes and your good to go. Poor batteries cranking cold motor are thr root cause of many starter problems.
Check the axle vent (located on top of the axle housng) if it is plugged (frozen mud ice...) as the rear end warms up with operation the air pressure in the axle housing will rise and push the oil out past the seal.
I hope this helps been there done that on the learning curve with my TJ 230-D
Al

madmari · « **Reply #16 on:** January 17, 2012, 04:50:53 am »

Thanks OntarioAl- it does act like brushes as a rap with a mallett produces a strained crank.
The vent is something I'll check- hope it's that easy!

Mark K · « **Reply #17 on:** January 17, 2012, 08:01:31 am »

Watch that you don't push on the bolt to hard while taking it out. There's a special nut that is suppose to lock into the timing cover plate. Mine fell out when I went to pull the starter. Falls right into the geartrain. Found it before anything happened.

oldseabee · « **Reply #18 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:22:21 am »

most Clark machines moved the axle vent to a remote location with a hose to the axle to keep the water out and the mud and junk away from the vent.

madmari · « **Reply #19 on:** January 17, 2012, 05:28:03 pm »

The bottom bolt was a 15/16" hex- no way to get it out. Took the starter apart from the back side forward, which is how it must have gone in. Easy to do. Once the starter motor is off, the three bolts holding the starter to the flywheel case are easily accessable.
The brushes looked good, so I think the problem is the solenoid. The contact inside the solenoid was green

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It was -17 F yesterday, Snowed like crazy all morning,loaded logs this afternoon in a pouring rain. Going to be high in the 20's tommorow. Wonder why we have mechanical problems due to moisture. New England is a crappy place to live.

I may take off the ring chains, fill up the 230 and drive south.

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