TimberKing Sawmills



Please visit this sponsor

The Largest Inventory of Used Chainsaw Parts in the World

Toll Free 1-800-582-0470

LogRite Tools

Lucas Sawmills

Forest Products Industry Insurance

Norwood Industries Inc.

Eggimann Motor and Equipment Sales Inc.

Sawmill & Woodlot Magazine

Wood-Mizer Band Blades

Carolina Machinery Sales is a machinery dealer that specializes in the Wood Processing Industry.

Wood Processing equpment. Splitters, Processors, Conveyors

Your source for Portable Sawmills, Edgers, Resaws, Sharpeners, Setters, Bandsaw Blades and Sawmill Parts

Portable Sawmill and Planers Made by Logosol.

EZ Boardwalk Sawmills. More Saw For Less Money!

STIHLDealers.com sponsored by Northeast STIHL

Lawn-Gardening-Tools.com

Hutto Wood Products

Woodland Sawmills

Margeson Insurance

Forestry Forum Tool Box

Author Topic: Do you leave the mill on site?  (Read 1191 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline leroy in kansas

  • member
  • *
  • Posts: 28
  • Age: 67
  • Location: McPherson, KS
  • Gender: Male
  • Don't squat with your spurs on.
Do you leave the mill on site?
« on: January 09, 2012, 04:53:29 pm »
Reading the threads in the form I notice reference to the mill being x amount of miles away. As well as reference to days of sawing at a location. This has started me wondering how many leave their mills on location when the job last longer than one day? What precaution do you take to hopefully assure the mill is still there when you return? If you break down the setup and return the next day, do you charge another setup fee? Thanks, Leroy

Offline Jim_Rogers

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3340
  • Age: 59
  • Location: Georgetown, MA
  • Gender: Male
  • Keep your chisels sharp.
    • jrsawmill.com
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2012, 05:06:02 pm »
Security is always an issue.

If there is any question, I get out my portable floor jack and raise up one wheel and take the tire off. And take it with me.

I always use a trailer hitch lock as well.

Jim Rogers
Whatever you do, have fun doing it!
Woodmizer 1994 LT30HDG24 with 6' Bed Extension

Offline T Welsh

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 829
  • Age: 55
  • Location: East Fallowfield,PA.
  • Gender: Male
  • Woodmizer LT-40-HD and a whole lot of toys!
    • Welsh Tree Service
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2012, 05:33:04 pm »
Only at a trusted jobsite. if not trusted then it is blocked in by machines or logs. there are times that the mill has to stay over night or two, and I am a wreck until I see it the next morning. Tim

Offline Magicman

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 9855
  • Age: 68
  • Location: Brookhaven, Ms.
  • Gender: Male
  • Knothole Sawmill, LLC
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2012, 05:38:57 pm »
I always leave the sawmill at a job site.  The sawhead is lowered all of the way down, so without some knowledge, the sawmill would be virtually impossible to move/steal.  I never leave any tools, even at secured locations.

I have never experienced any mischief or vandalism.
'98 Wood-Mizer LT40SuperHydraulic/Lombardini

There is much that I need to do, more that I want to do, and less that I can do.

Never allow your "need" to make money to exceed your "desire" to provide quality service.

Offline Buck

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 844
  • Age: 46
  • Location: DeRidder, La.
  • Gender: Male
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2012, 05:48:03 pm »
Same here MM. Always pack up tools too.
Respect is earned. Honesty is appreciated. Trust is gained. Loyalty is returned.

Live....like someone left the gate open

Offline pnyberg

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 305
  • Age: 58
  • Location: Coventry, CT
  • Gender: Male
    • CT Logs to Lumber, LLC
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2012, 05:59:34 pm »
I leave the head at the hitch end of the mill and take the key.  Never had a problem.  Of course the first time will be one too many.  :)

--Peter
2009 WM LT40G28-RA sawmill - accuset 2, debarker, lubemizer, board-return, 4 FA outriggers
LogRite Fetching Arch, 72" MegaHook, 48" cant hook, 48" peavey, 36" Hookaroon, 30" Mill Special
Stihl MS270C & MS170 chainsaws
Kubota B2630 with FEL & BH
www.ctlogs2lumber.com

Offline Peter Drouin

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 473
  • Location: New Hampshire
  • Gender: Male
    • Sanbornton Construction L.L.C.
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2012, 06:11:39 pm »
I put A log on the mill and clamp it, I put a log on the loader arms too, have the key in my pocket. all so have a hitch lock on it. and if it;s gone in the moring I call the ins company for a new one  :D :D :D

Offline two tired

  • Full Member
  • **
  • Posts: 54
  • Age: 63
  • Location: longville louisiana
  • Gender: Male
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2012, 06:35:00 pm »
unless it is a verry secure location i take my mill home with me.
when wondering about weather conditions call the dog in and see if he is wet

Offline POSTONLT40HD

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1139
  • Age: 55
  • Location: Rock Hill, S.C
  • Gender: Male
  • You saw my Ad...I saw your logs. Buy now. David
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2012, 06:54:21 pm »
Getcha a  mean dog and chain him to the mill at night!   bat_smailey bat_smailey bat_smailey bat_smailey
David

Offline isawlogs

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 6119
  • Age: 52
  • Location: Highwater Québec
  • Gender: Male
  • A smile is contagious ... Start an epidemic
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2012, 07:34:10 pm »
 I seldom bring my mill home when sawing, But contrary to Peter, I leave my mill just after the axle with a log on the mill and one on the loader. I don't like the idea of anyone being able to play with the hydraulics while I ain there or worst having the controls turning on and the pump running.. I just feel better with the mill past the contact bar  :D
 I also live where theft and vandalisme is not as high as in certain places I have read here.
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

Offline terrifictimbersllc

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1405
  • Age: 58
  • Location: Mystic, CT
  • Gender: Male
    • Terrific Timbers LLC
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2012, 07:50:13 pm »
I do if I am coming back the next day and the location seems secure.  Otherwise no.  My truck gets about 18 mpg on the highway with stuff in the back and about 15-17 towing.  So it doesn't mean that much.    I put a big log on it, clamped, and put the head all the way to the front, all the way down, and chain it up there with an Abus motorcycle chain.  It would take a flatbed tow truck or similar to steal it like that.   Vandalism is more of a concern but one can only do so much.  If it got trashed I would take the insurance money and get an LT-70.   :) :)  I also take the diesel and water tanks.  And put the mill head and control head covers on.  Usually leaving at dark and back at first light.   

Regarding setting up again I usually give up to 30 min free setup for a substantial day's sawing so no.  Besides setup only takes 10 min, right, like it says in the brochures?  ;)
DJ Hoover, Terrific Timbers LLC,  Mystic CT   W-M LT40SHDD w/42HP Kubota, Peterson WPF 10-30 with chain slabber. LogRite fetching arch, capstan PortaWinch, W-M CBN sharpener/dual setter. Rens P4000 Metal detector.

Offline learydeere

  • member
  • *
  • Posts: 23
  • Age: 24
  • Location: Saco Me
  • Gender: Male
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2012, 09:29:53 pm »
I always leave it on site if it seems secure.  I also always cover it and take the blade off in case somebody gets messing with it they dont get cut and i have a lawsuit

Offline customdave

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 346
  • Age: 55
  • Location: Pigeon Lake, Alberta
  • Gender: Male
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2012, 10:08:09 pm »
I will leave my mill if I think its a secure site, which is out of site, but still use a coupler lock in the ball socket & a stainless steel pin lock threw the latching mechinusm . I have two aluminum tool boxes mounted on my mill that all tools , cant hooks , hookaroon, spade etc that are also lockable ;)...

              Dave
Love the smell of sawdust

Offline cypresskayaksllc

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 331
  • Age: 30
  • Location: Live Oak FL
  • Gender: Male
    • Cypress Kayaks LLC
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2012, 10:11:41 pm »
I leave mine. Most of the time its out in the country. Little chance of mischief. 
LT40HDDR, JD950FEL, Weimaraner

Offline Tom the Sawyer

  • Full Member
  • **
  • Posts: 77
  • Age: 60
  • Location: Eudora, KS
  • Gender: Male
  • Converting your logs to lumber at my home or yours
    • Tom the Sawyer Portable Sawmilling
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2012, 11:05:19 pm »
Leroy,

Most my jobs are completed in a single day but if it takes longer, the mill goes home with me.  After 31 years in law enforcement I've seen some really secure things disappear and I like my mill.  There is very little difference in gas mileage with or without the mill.  I do charge a travel fee but discount it 50% for additional days, whether it is the next day or a year later.

07 Timberking B-20, Custom-made log arch, 20' trailer w/ log loading arch, F350 SD flatbed dump, Ford 4000 w/ FEL.  Princeton piggy-back forklift.
If you call and my wife says "He's sawin logs", I ain't sleepin'.

Offline terrifictimbersllc

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1405
  • Age: 58
  • Location: Mystic, CT
  • Gender: Male
    • Terrific Timbers LLC
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2012, 05:08:43 am »
I have two aluminum tool boxes mounted on my mill that all tools , cant hooks , hookaroon, spade etc that are also lockable ;)...

              Dave
Very interesting can we get a picture?
DJ Hoover, Terrific Timbers LLC,  Mystic CT   W-M LT40SHDD w/42HP Kubota, Peterson WPF 10-30 with chain slabber. LogRite fetching arch, capstan PortaWinch, W-M CBN sharpener/dual setter. Rens P4000 Metal detector.

Offline Brucer

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1920
  • Age: 62
  • Location: Rossland, BC
  • Gender: Male
  • The Kootenay Sawyer
    • The Kootenay Sawyer
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2012, 05:57:35 pm »
Yes I do, but I don't leave the hitch on site  ;D.

Bruce    LT40HDG28 bandsaw with two 6' extensions, ED22 twin blade edger.
"Complex problems have simple, easy to understand wrong answers."

Offline wfontjr

  • member
  • *
  • Posts: 7
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2012, 08:15:59 pm »
i live 160 miles away from a piece of property i own. i plan on leaving my mill there over the spring/summer also, any more suggestions to keep it secure

Offline Magicman

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 9855
  • Age: 68
  • Location: Brookhaven, Ms.
  • Gender: Male
  • Knothole Sawmill, LLC
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2012, 08:23:23 pm »
Rats and mice cause damage gnawing on wiring and rubber hoses.  They also love to build nest and pee on everything.   :-\
'98 Wood-Mizer LT40SuperHydraulic/Lombardini

There is much that I need to do, more that I want to do, and less that I can do.

Never allow your "need" to make money to exceed your "desire" to provide quality service.

Offline terrifictimbersllc

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1405
  • Age: 58
  • Location: Mystic, CT
  • Gender: Male
    • Terrific Timbers LLC
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2012, 08:25:03 pm »
I blew my frame full of red pepper last year no new problems yet.
DJ Hoover, Terrific Timbers LLC,  Mystic CT   W-M LT40SHDD w/42HP Kubota, Peterson WPF 10-30 with chain slabber. LogRite fetching arch, capstan PortaWinch, W-M CBN sharpener/dual setter. Rens P4000 Metal detector.

Offline isawlogs

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 6119
  • Age: 52
  • Location: Highwater Québec
  • Gender: Male
  • A smile is contagious ... Start an epidemic
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2012, 08:59:26 pm »
 Only issue I have ever had leaving my mill on site was stoopid cows and calves eating my wiring harness for the lights.   >:(
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

Offline Magicman

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 9855
  • Age: 68
  • Location: Brookhaven, Ms.
  • Gender: Male
  • Knothole Sawmill, LLC
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2012, 09:11:21 pm »
I blew my frame full of red pepper last year no new problems yet. 

We finally got the thread around to food.

I have also had various cattle and horses rubbing, crapping, and biting on the covers, etc.  Many mornings we first have to have a cleanup detail.   :-\
'98 Wood-Mizer LT40SuperHydraulic/Lombardini

There is much that I need to do, more that I want to do, and less that I can do.

Never allow your "need" to make money to exceed your "desire" to provide quality service.

Offline terrifictimbersllc

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1405
  • Age: 58
  • Location: Mystic, CT
  • Gender: Male
    • Terrific Timbers LLC
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2012, 09:54:54 pm »
Maybe need to spray red pepper on the outside of the mill too.   The super hot Mexican jalapeno kind where you have to be careful where you touch yourself after using it.  :o :o :o
DJ Hoover, Terrific Timbers LLC,  Mystic CT   W-M LT40SHDD w/42HP Kubota, Peterson WPF 10-30 with chain slabber. LogRite fetching arch, capstan PortaWinch, W-M CBN sharpener/dual setter. Rens P4000 Metal detector.

Offline isawlogs

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 6119
  • Age: 52
  • Location: Highwater Québec
  • Gender: Male
  • A smile is contagious ... Start an epidemic
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2012, 01:24:31 pm »
 I am not going to ask how you know this !!!!! :-X   :D
A man does not always grow wise as he grows old , but he always grows old as he grows wise .

   Marcel

Offline Magicman

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 9855
  • Age: 68
  • Location: Brookhaven, Ms.
  • Gender: Male
  • Knothole Sawmill, LLC
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2012, 02:14:12 pm »
And I'm not going to ask which particular spot the touched.   smiley_lipsrsealed whiteflag_smiley
'98 Wood-Mizer LT40SuperHydraulic/Lombardini

There is much that I need to do, more that I want to do, and less that I can do.

Never allow your "need" to make money to exceed your "desire" to provide quality service.

Offline zopi

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 2937
  • Location: Virginia
  • Gender: Male
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2012, 02:37:35 pm »
Probably my most prized posession...so, in a word, no...

I imagine, one of these days, I may get to a point where it wpuld be beneficial to have a truck camper....if I ever get to sawing any distance from the house.
Got Wood?
LT-15G GO chassis added.
WM sharpener and setter
And lots of junk.

Offline terrifictimbersllc

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1405
  • Age: 58
  • Location: Mystic, CT
  • Gender: Male
    • Terrific Timbers LLC
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2012, 04:15:55 pm »
Wonder if anyone ever slept on his sawmill ? :D

Just put down a few boards, mattress and sleeping bag.  Big Dipper above & smell of sawing all around.   If it rains could get part way under the mill cover.  Put the side supports and loader up if afraid of falling off.

Could probably take a shower with the Lubemizer depending on your formula.   
DJ Hoover, Terrific Timbers LLC,  Mystic CT   W-M LT40SHDD w/42HP Kubota, Peterson WPF 10-30 with chain slabber. LogRite fetching arch, capstan PortaWinch, W-M CBN sharpener/dual setter. Rens P4000 Metal detector.

Offline zopi

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 2937
  • Location: Virginia
  • Gender: Male
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2012, 04:33:13 pm »
No, but I have slept with my arm through a motorcycle wheel... lol
Got Wood?
LT-15G GO chassis added.
WM sharpener and setter
And lots of junk.

Offline Chuck White

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 2910
  • Age: 63
  • Location: Russell, (Way Upstate) New York
  • Gender: Male
  • Sawing Mobile since 2005
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2012, 05:24:45 pm »
I have always left my mill at the mobile saw-site, and have been fortunate enough to have never been bothered.

A trail camera would be a good deterrant.  ;)

Just a sign by itself that said "This property protected with hidden cameras 24/7" or "If you are reading this sign, you are on video" would be enough to make people think about whether they should or shouldn't!  ;D

Most places that I saw for are hunting or vacationing camps and a good share of them have a locked gate and/or trail cams.
CHUCK - Retired USAF and now a Mobile Sawyer
1995 Wood-Mizer LT40HDG24 (Onan)
Shingle & Lap-Sider - Cooks Cat Claw Sharpener & Single Tooth Setter
Basic mechanical skills are all that's required to maintain the Wood-Mizer.
4 ft Logrite cant hook and a few unknown brands.
I LOVE MY SAWMILL

Offline slider

  • Full Member x2
  • ***
  • Posts: 123
  • Age: 62
  • Location: south georgia
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm new!
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2012, 07:10:02 pm »
I like the log on the deck and one on the loading arms. i"m always just a little uneasy about leaving my rig somewhere.you just never know.I usually load my remote in the pickup and park my boom truck in front of the mill ,lower the grapple down ,clamp it on the mill frame and lock the truck.I can't see charging extra for setting up when you return.Been lucky so far but i"m not going to make it ease for them.great thread    al
al glenn

Offline steamsawyer

  • Full Member
  • **
  • Posts: 88
  • Age: 60
  • Location: Florida
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm Antique
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2012, 08:48:45 pm »
 As you all have seen, my mill is mostly a permanent set up. It lives in the corner of a cow pasture behind barbed wire fence and a padlocked gate that is fairly secure. The land owner lives within about 250 feet next door and he is usually home at night. The mill sits about 200 feet from the road so someone could feasably jump the fence and make off with something. Tommy, the land owner, has caught people in the pasture before looking for those illegal mushrooms.

When I shut down after a days running I pick up all the tools and take the steam whistles off of the boiler and throw a tarp over the husk and blade. If I know that it will be a month or so before I will run again I'll usually take off the other brass stuff like pop off valve and injectors.

Alan



  
Inside this tired old mans body is just a little boy that wants to go out and play.

Alan Rudd
Steam Punk Extraordinaire.

Offline PC-Urban-Sawyer

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 505
  • Age: 62
  • Location: Panama City, Florida
  • Gender: Male
  • Been wasting time for sixty-one years...
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2012, 11:15:51 pm »
No, but I have slept with my arm through a motorcycle wheel... lol

I think I did that too, back when I was a Fireman Apprentice and too drunk to know better...


Offline paul case

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 2790
  • Age: 37
  • Location: extreeme northeast Oklahoma
  • Gender: Male
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2012, 11:34:42 pm »
Wonder if anyone ever slept on his sawmill ? :D

Well it was just gonna be a break and there was already those 2 nice 2x12's on the mill so the answer is yes, someone has slept on his mill. ;D ;D ;D PC
life is too short to be too serious. (some idiot)
EZ Boardwalk and WM 94 LT40 hd
sawing oak.hickory,ERC,walnut and almost anything else that shows up.
pc

Offline zopi

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 2937
  • Location: Virginia
  • Gender: Male
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2012, 02:48:45 am »
No, but I have slept with my arm through a motorcycle wheel... lol

I think I did that too, back when I was a Fireman Apprentice and too drunk to know better...



Was in high school...bare bones trip through the mountains in new mexico...bedroll, a couple chamges of clothes and a couple weeks pay...ride til dark, maybe stop and eat somewhere, or raid the little snack stash....find a quiet grove and crash. Was one of the better weeks.
Got Wood?
LT-15G GO chassis added.
WM sharpener and setter
And lots of junk.

Offline customsawyer

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 2029
  • Age: 43
  • Location: Rentz, Ga.
  • Gender: Male
  • www.thecustomsawyer.com
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2012, 04:03:05 am »
I leave mine on the job. I figure I will get burned one day but you can only do so much and if the crooks  decide they want it they will get it.

Offline WDH

  • Forester
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 11093
  • Age: 58
  • Location: Perry, GA
  • Gender: Male
  • April 1998 - August 2008
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2012, 07:18:07 am »
Paul,

You were napping and planking at the same time  :D.
Woodmizer LT15, John Deere 2155, Kubota M5640SU and a passion for all things wood.

Offline Magicman

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 9855
  • Age: 68
  • Location: Brookhaven, Ms.
  • Gender: Male
  • Knothole Sawmill, LLC
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2012, 07:30:42 am »
Sounded more like he was still sawing.   smiley_sleeping
'98 Wood-Mizer LT40SuperHydraulic/Lombardini

There is much that I need to do, more that I want to do, and less that I can do.

Never allow your "need" to make money to exceed your "desire" to provide quality service.

Offline thecfarm

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 6550
  • Age: 50
  • Location: Chesterville,Maine
  • Gender: Male
  • If I don't do it,it don't get done
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2012, 08:59:38 am »
steamsawyer,that's a nice looking picture.  ;D
Model 6020-20hp Manual Thomas bandsaw,TC40A 4wd 40 hp New Holland tractor, 450 Norse Winch, Heatmor OWB

Offline beenthere

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 14175
  • Location: Southern Wisconsin
  • Gender: Male
  • EIEIO
Re: Do you leave the mill on site?
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2012, 09:24:10 am »
zopi
Off subject a bit, but your ride in NM reminded me of when in college and there, found a wayside with some picnic tables under small shelters. So we laid out our fart sacks on the tables and went to sleep. Middle of the night were awakened by a four engine freight train coming through.
Seems our table beds were but a very few feet from the RR tracks.
Could have sworn we were on those tracks when that big light bore down on us.
south central Wisconsin
 It may be that my sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others

 


Testing New Bottom Sponsor Area

Saw Anywhere!