Getting paid

[rockman]

I was talking to a guy today who has a couple "portable" sawmills, He does not do portable sawing anymore because he said he had to much trouble getting paid for mobile jobs. I am giving SERIOUS thought to buying a mill to do mobile sawing, but this has me thinking. For you guys that do mobile sawing, do you require payment at job completion? 30 days? Deposit before you start job? What happens if customer refuses to pay? It's a shame this is a concern, but it's a different world today than when I grew up. If this is the wrong spot for this thread please relocate.

Thanks, Kevin

[Magicman]

I get paid at the end of the sawing job.  With jobs that extend for several weeks, we may settle up at the end of each week.

I have never, ever not gotten paid for a saw job, or had to follow up on a payment. 

My Saw Contract states when payment is due, and when we cover the contract before sawing begins, I cover each line with the customer.

I was unable to search and find the Sawing Contract thread.  I get an error message, "Unable to access the search daemon".

[4speed]

Rockman,
 I can't offer any advice as I am in the same boat. I intend to purchase a mobile mill for my own use in building a house, but definitely have not ruled out the possibility of using the mill to supplement my income. I own a Bail Bond company and I too have wondered about payment of mobile jobs. I know I would be dealing with a different class of folks (hopefully), but after you've been burned as much as I have, the concern is always there.

[Magicman]

OK, I did a manual "search" and found the contract thread.  Item #4 is about payment.

Link

[rockman]

Thank You for the insight Lynn, I just wish I would have spelled PAID right. 

[pnyberg]

Payment is expected at the end of the job by cash or check unless other arrangements are made in advance.  Other arrangements have been made exactly once, and I got that check today for a job done between Christmas and New Years. 

I've had exactly one check bounce on the first attempt to deposit it.  The embarrassed customer claimed there was some mix up in moving money between accounts.  I held the check for a few days until the customer said he was sure that it would clear.  The check did clear on the second deposit.

I don't require a deposit.

--Peter

[Dave VH]

I'm new to milling, but I've been a self employed contractor for 13 years now.  Getting paid, I think ,has more to do with reading the client up front, before you ever start. 
  Contracts are great, but sometimes they can scare a customer away.
  I have turned down great jobs in the past on a gut feeling, only to find that they never had any intention on paying in the first place.
  I've never been stiffed, I've had people try.  That's when I downsized.  I had 15 guys working for me and the quality started suffering because I wasn't able to keep a good eye on things.  If your work is above reproach, and you do what you say, when you say, your chances of being paid without problems are better.
  If you have a bad gut feeling on someone, it's easy to research people online, (newspaper articles, lawsuits, what have you).  I really follow my gut and it hasn't let me down yet.  If your uneasy, get a contract, or do the research before you take the job.  If you're worrisome and nervous, the work aint no fun.
  Good luck

[steamsawyer]

Rockman,

With my little shirt tail oppeation I don't have a lot to worry about. I am not really set up as a business but more of a hobby. I saw for other ranchers and farmers that are mostly close friends and I let them do most of the hard work. However I'm not alergic to making a little money either. Let's just say when they come in with logs they'r not getting out the gate with lumber unless it is paid for.

I have been in several other buisnesses over the years though. Nine years in small engines and lawnmowers in the 60s, three years in boats and motors in the 70s, and 22 years in a full service welding and machine shop through the 70s, 80s, and early 90s. So I've heard it all. I showed up at a general contractor office one time with a suitcase, said I was moving in till I got paid for the I beam that went out on his condo job.

I like the contract idea. My pilosophy has allways been that when the job is done you are talking about your money now not the customers. If you are up front with your customer from the begining there will be no surprize to him when you are standing there with your hand out. If you have that contract you have a better chance in litigation. If you run into a questionable individual it's easy to check them out and see what reputation they have.

Magicman,
I think its funny, I have been calling my sawmill Knothole Lumber Co for 5 years, go figger.

Alan

[Tree Feller]

I don't have a mill but I routinely haul my logs to a local sawyer to have them sawn. The sawyer is rarely home but I leave my loaded trailer there with sawing instructions in a sandwich baggie attached to the jack stand. When the lumber is ready, I go pick it up, stacked neatly on my trailer. Again, the sawyer is rarely there but I leave a check inside whichever vehicle he says to place it.

He's never asked me to sign a contract although the sawing jobs he does for me are always small ones, usually 400 - 500 bf. It's a great arrangement, especially since he only charges $0.23 per bf. He does fine work, too.

[POSTONLT40HD]

It happened to me once. Working with the Forestry Service, I am lucky to know the Magistrate and have sawed lumber for him.

A customer would not pay me after I sawed 2100 bf for him. Made 1 call to the Judge......had my money in less than 24 hours. 

[Chuck White]

I usually use a contract, but there are a few that I'm on a personal level with so we don't do the contract.

I've never had to wait for payment.  On my contract, there's a space for how and when payment is expected.  It's usually cash or check upon completion of the sawing.

[terrifictimbersllc]

Payment is expected at the end of the job by cash or check unless other arrangements are made in advance.  Other arrangements have been made exactly once, and I got that check today for a job done between Christmas and New Years. 

I've had exactly one check bounce on the first attempt to deposit it.  The embarrassed customer claimed there was some mix up in moving money between accounts.  I held the check for a few days until the customer said he was sure that it would clear.  The check did clear on the second deposit.

I don't require a deposit.

--Peter

Peter describes my experience almost exactly. A few times the customer forgot his checkbook or something like that.   Working with someone all day who likes wood it just doesn't seem an issue.  But I do have to ask for the payment once in a while. I total things up right after I turn off the mill, before I pack up.   Also my agreement says that there is a $50 charge for a check returned for any reason.  That happened only once and I didn't charge for it, the customer was very embarrassed. 

[bugdust]

I have been stiffed only once and that was by a local doctor. He ordered several red oak 8-6"X6" and            24- 2"X10". I sent word by his neighbor for him not to bother calling for another order. When we meet on the street it's as if nothing ever happened (at least in his mind.)

[rockman]

Thank You all for the replies fella's, I guess it isn't much of an issue, thats a relief.

 Tahnks,
 Kevin

[roquevalente]

getting paid is a nice topic , come to bolivia and you will pay in advance and don't get anything delivered or you do the service and don't get paid.

[rockman]

getting paid is a nice topic , come to bolivia and you will pay in advance and don't get anything delivered or you do the service and don't get paid.

 A benefit of small government?

[Buck]

I've never been "stiffed" on custom sawing. Sales of lumber is a whole different story.

[vt k-9]

 2011 was a bad year for getting payed for me. I started in january sawing 7 thousand feet for a guy that wanted done     right now. Got it sawed but he never picked it up. I called him on the first of april and told him he had 10 days to pick it up.Never heard from him. Did a 9 thousand foot job for another guy. I looked at the logs before sawing them.   He had pulled them up a dirt road to a field.Asked him why. He needed to smooth out his road . When I got done sawing he said he had no money.I just hooked up and went home. It seemed most of my other jobs Ihad to fight for my money so I got my cdl and got a job driving truck. I still do sawing on weekends. I have some sawing jobs lined up for the spring so I will be back sawing full time. Most folks are honest. I just had a bad year.                                                                         Will

[rockman]

2011 was a bad year for getting payed for me. I started in january sawing 7 thousand feet for a guy that wanted done     right now. Got it sawed but he never picked it up. I called him on the first of april and told him he had 10 days to pick it up.Never heard from him. Did a 9 thousand foot job for another guy. I looked at the logs before sawing them.   He had pulled them up a dirt road to a field.Asked him why. He needed to smooth out his road . When I got done sawing he said he had no money.I just hooked up and went home. It seemed most of my other jobs Ihad to fight for my money so I got my cdl and got a job driving truck. I still do sawing on weekends. I have some sawing jobs lined up for the spring so I will be back sawing full time. Most folks are honest. I just had a bad year.                                                                         Will

Wow, 16,000 bd. ft. for free ? For that amount of money I hope you are persuing them legally.
 Kevin

[Taylortractornut]

Had an old lady rip me on a septic tank install but Ill take it in as a 1500 dollar lesson.    I took that job as a request from a friend.   I knew her late husband and he was a great person.       She moved into their summer home when he passed away.    She had a problem that the old house septic tank was a pipe that dumped off a hillside.      I looked at the job and took it to help the poor old widow woman out.     I told her I would shop around and get the best deal on materials.      I dont usually do tanks anymore but the other contractors didnt  want to do the  job as it was in a bad place.   


I did the  tank and about that time her   fruity son came out and talked her into  omving the field line layout .   SHe wanted it all moved next to the slope as they liked to entertain there.    I tried to explain that location would lead to surfacing of the lines.           and while I was there she asked me to move a boulders in the flower beds ahd take out some brush.        I got done and showed up to get mystuff and she was in SOuth africa with some guy she met on vacation.     Eight weeks later she comes back broke and  refusing to pay me as the lines leaked like I told her they would. 

I even tried to trade for a post hole digger and dish she  had sitting in the barn.  She refused and minded me that if I put a lean on her  place Id be turned in for the install.       I took that bad pill but  later I got a little satisfaction.  Her house burnt  and she called with a sad story wanting it cleaned up.     I made sure that it got around about the deal I went through and the lot is still piled up.       

Now I have a contract and dont do changes on the job.