Author Topic: Timberking / Talon Sharpener and Dual Tooth Setter (Read 1450 times)

vfauto · « **on:** January 03, 2012, 03:19:29 pm »

I was wondering if anyone has tryed or heard anything about these products from Timber King? They look simple and are less expensive than most.

Talon Sharpener and Talon Dual Tooth Setter

Chuck White · « **Reply #1 on:** January 03, 2012, 05:37:07 pm »

Looks like a nice setter!

Seems to work real smooth.

xlogger · « **Reply #2 on:** January 04, 2012, 06:10:03 am »

I've got the TK sharpener and setter but just got it and have not used it yet. I got it when I got the used mill. The guy I got it from when over it so fast, I'm glad you found the Youtube on it. I've looked for one and could not find it. I hope to try to use it later in the week and will let you know how I did. Maybe I should call TK and see if they have anymore video's on them. Ricky

bandmiller2 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 04, 2012, 07:40:28 am »

Looks to be simple and effective eqipment.Only thing it doesn't look like the sharpener is profiling the whole gullet.I don't see a cam or the wheel dressing the top of the tooth only a face grind.Would be an interesting experiment same everything except sharpener and compare band life. Frank C.

ladylake · « **Reply #4 on:** January 04, 2012, 07:23:22 pm »

Frank, the wheel is not hitting the whole gullet but is touching the top tip of the tooth after he adjusted it a bit lower. My grinder most often does the same on the first sharpening and if I took a bit off the bottom of the wheel it would get the whole gullet but I don't bother on the first sharpening. The 2nd sharpening will get the whole gullet. Steve

bandmiller2 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 04, 2012, 08:27:48 pm »

Your right Steve,I just looked at it again.Not a professional grade sharpener but probibly would do fine for 90 percent of bandmillers. Frank C.

ladylake · « **Reply #6 on:** January 04, 2012, 08:55:23 pm »

I'd not rate the quality untill I saw one in person, just cuz it's simple doesn't mean it's not built good. Steve

bandmiller2 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 05, 2012, 08:09:20 am »

Vfauto,I looked on TK's site and didn't see the grinder just the setter,must be real new.If the price is reasonable it looks like it will do the job. Frank C.

davey duck · « **Reply #8 on:** January 05, 2012, 09:23:29 am »

I looked it up it was on the next page or two and its on sale for 999.00 it looks like a nice grinder.

customsawyer · « **Reply #9 on:** January 05, 2012, 09:35:31 am »

Looks to me like it will do the job. It would take some adjusting the same as any other brand but I think it would do fine. There will be a learning curve just like any new piece of equipment.

tommone · « **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2012, 01:39:50 pm »

The Talon sharpener looks strong, elegant and well made even though it only grinds the tooth front. If a wider grinding wheel was used and profiled to the full tooth shape do you think it could grind gullet an' all? Or is the motor HP too weak for an operation like that. Maybe the total friction would generate too much heat causing tooth bluing and upset the metal structure. Just pondering. Anyone know the HP of the grinding wheel motor?

barbender · « **Reply #11 on:** January 05, 2012, 03:47:27 pm »

$999 seems like a lot for a grinder that only hits the face of the tooth, or does the price include the setter too? I got my Cook's profile grinder for $1500 on sale.

ladylake · « **Reply #12 on:** January 05, 2012, 08:28:55 pm »

This grinder hit the whole profile of the tooth, maybe not on the first sharpening on some blades. Cant figure out where this only hits the face thing came from. Look closely at the vid again. And the price is right. Steve

bandmiller2 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 05, 2012, 09:05:01 pm »

You know where it came from Steve.I wonder if its adjustable for different pitches 3/4,7/8, and 1"? Frank C.

ladylake · « **Reply #14 on:** January 05, 2012, 09:43:15 pm »

I'd guess a different cam would take care of different tooth spacing like most grinders. Maybe someone from TK will set us straight. I run a Wright sharpener sold by TK for quite a few years that has served me well, never had anything but top quality come from TK. Steve

xlogger · « **Reply #15 on:** January 06, 2012, 06:21:11 am »

I grinded my first blade last night on my TK (Wright) grinder. Now to see if I know what I was doing $:-\$ . I'll try it this weekend after I dull the one I have now off. Ricky

ladylake · « **Reply #16 on:** January 06, 2012, 07:12:35 am »

Quote from: bandmiller2 on January 05, 2012, 09:05:01 pm

You know where it came from Steve.I wonder if its adjustable for different pitches 3/4,7/8, and 1"? Frank C.

Frank. I was wondering why in some later posts the hitting the face only thing kept coming up. I too thought it was only hitting the face untill he adjusted it a bit lower and it started hitting the top tip of the tooth, I'd think on the 2nd sharpening it will get the whole gullet. Steve

tommone · « **Reply #17 on:** January 06, 2012, 08:53:36 am »

Looked at the Talon video again, my mistake. The grinding wheel does eventually grind into the gullet but not yet convinced it grinds the back of the tooth.

TimGA · « **Reply #18 on:** January 06, 2012, 10:51:04 pm »

Hey guys, I have the sharpener and setter. The sharpener grinds it all face, gullet, back. Like Steve said 1st grind just face. 2nd time lower stone gets into gullet. 3rd time up the back. Like Customsawer said takes a little getting used to. You have to put a small radius on grinding wheel to match gullet profile. A rock is provided with machine to make profile. It is adjustable to do different pitches, a little tedious, I only do 7/8 ths. I start at the weld and let it go have not timed it aprox 4 to 5 min, per round. I use an engraver and # next to the weld for each sharpening works well easy to read. I would say it does a very good job, should last a long time. The setter I am Just starting to use. I read the directions 2Xs Before starting setup. It took quite a while READ CAREFULLY the setup procedure. As I have only used this on a few blades I am still learning. It does appear that it is going to work quite well though. Very simple process once you understand the settings. Setter is built well will last a long time. I got my sharpener free on saw deal. The setter was 850.00 at the time. TK runs specials on these items ocassionally. Hope this helps. Sorry to be longwinded tryed to tell it all at once. Tim

ladylake · « **Reply #19 on:** January 07, 2012, 07:28:05 am »

Tim Try moving that slide on the top of the machine out some, that should give you a little less up-down movement resulting in following the profile better on the first grinding. My Wright grinder is quite a bit different but if I shim the hieght adjustment rod in or out I can make it follow the profile of almost any blade, this changes quite a bit going from a 10* to 4* hook angle. I really don't worry about hitting the whole profile untill the 3rd sharpening. Steve

tommone · « **Reply #20 on:** January 07, 2012, 08:04:44 am »

Tim, thanks for explaining that, different but effective.

barbender · « **Reply #21 on:** January 07, 2012, 12:35:58 pm »

Sorry, I didn't watch the video before I posted before. Definitely a profile grinder, and it looks like a nice setup for $999.

TimGA · « **Reply #22 on:** January 08, 2012, 07:48:00 am »

Steve, You can adjust the length of advance arm for different pitches, there are different holes. The blade is riding on 2 roller brgs that can be adjusted up and down, the front plate ( as the video shows ) has wing nuts that adjust spring pressure against blade plate. The blade does not move up down, forward or backward during advancement or grinding when adjusted, very easy set up. No problem grinding profile as there is no movement on blade. Not quite sure this adresses the issue you were speaking of, if not please let me know, I don't want to miss somthing. By the way the video has a lot to be desiered, way to fast not explained well at all, I believe they could sell a lot more of these items if they took a little more time in making it. Thanks Tim

tommone · « **Reply #23 on:** January 08, 2012, 08:40:39 pm »

Tim, one small question, how do you grind the back of the tooth ? Can you alter the angle of the grinding wheel assembly relative to the horizontal line of action of the bandsaw blade?. Tom.

TimGA · « **Reply #24 on:** January 10, 2012, 10:11:08 pm »

Tom, Sorry taking so long to get back to you. As to your 1st question , the back of the tooth is ground as the blade is advancing and the grinding wheel is rising up, it comes from the gullet all the way up the back to the top of the tooth. 2nd question was can you change the angle of the grinding wheel YES loosen bolts on back of grinding wheel arm and adjust to whatever angle grind you like. I do alot of pine 10 degree works fine for me have not tried anything else yet. If you look on TK website look at Talon Sharpener in store, click on view you will see they offer a instruction video, I got one with my sharpener not to bad. If your intrested call ask for Matt in sales see if he will send you one tell him Tim in Quitman Georgia told you to call. Hope this helps

tommone · « **Reply #25 on:** January 11, 2012, 05:17:07 am »

Thanks for reply and explanation Tim. Interesting that the Talon can do the whole profile without the aid of a cam. tom

coastlogger · « **Reply #26 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:17:02 pm »

Must be a cam there somewhere. Id guess its under the depth adjustment rod. Looks like a nice sharpener for the money.

ladylake · « **Reply #27 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:45:06 pm »

Looks like the cam is under the push rod pivot bolt. Steve

TimGA · « **Reply #28 on:** January 12, 2012, 10:39:10 pm »

Hey guys, there is a cam mounts directly on motor, it makes everything go up and down and back an forth. Adjustments up,down and so forth make it possible to make complete profile. NOTE !! This is last paragraph from operaters manual. Most saw sharpeners only permit a pre-determined gullet shape and use changeable cams for different shapes. This limits the users ability to change the hook angle and/or gullet shape without purchasing a different cam. The Timberking Sharpener's unique timing adjustments allow the operater to change the hook angle while maintaining the correct gullet shape or change the gullet shape and/or depth, as well as being able to grind the tooth face while "topping" the next tooth without grinding the gullet deeper. Combining the three timing adjustments permits a wide variety of tooth profiles to be made. The user should become familar with each of these adjustments and the affect they have in creating the desired tooth and gullet shape. Hope this clears this up. Going to apply for a job as sharpener salesmen. Ha Ha no way don't know enough. Good night Tim

redbeard · « **Reply #29 on:** January 12, 2012, 11:03:14 pm »

Thanks Tim simple is one thing I understand. Sounds like your getting some good results. I have my eye on it. I will mention you on my order.

ladylake · « **Reply #30 on:** January 13, 2012, 05:03:32 am »

Now that things are cleared up it sounds like a excellent sharpener at a great price.. Steve

bandmiller2 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 13, 2012, 08:51:28 am »

Thanks,thats the information needed.A little tip get a diamond wheel dresser much more effective dressing wheels than the cheap abrasive brick usally supplied with machines.I prefer the diamond grit dresser as opposed to the single diamond point. Frank C.

vfauto · « **Reply #32 on:** January 31, 2012, 09:21:23 am »

Quote from: xlogger on January 06, 2012, 06:21:11 am

I grinded my first blade last night on my TK (Wright) grinder. Now to see if I know what I was doing $:-\$ . I'll try it this weekend after I dull the one I have now off. Ricky

Hi xlogger, we never heard back from you on how the sharpner and setter worked out. Just looking for some feedback before I buy somthing.

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Author Topic: Timberking / Talon Sharpener and Dual Tooth Setter (Read 1450 times)