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Hello Group,

I've been looking over the Forestry Forum for the past week or so, enjoying reading the threads, and thought I'd try it out.   

This section of the forum is what I relate to best so here's where I'll write a short intro.  My wife, 2 kids, and I live off-grid in a new hand-hewn square-cut log home on 320 acres of timberland in Southern Oregon.   Unfortunately, we didn't have the opportunity to mill and hew the logs ourselves like many of you here are doing.   The house does have some real timberframe joinery though!  We bought the land from some loggers who had just selectively harvested, so it's still zoned commercial timberland.   We basically started from scratch w/ cutting some roads and drilling a well.  Then put up a "powerhouse" cabin, solar panels, battery bank, inverters, etc.    Just finished building the real house about a year ago.   Our backup power is a Lister 6/1 clone single-cylinder low-rpm diesel that I run off of farm diesel and waste motor oil (WMO)!   (While I didn't initially plan to be off-grid, the power co wanted $50k to bring up power 1000+ ft from the last house and charge $200/month service charge just to have power.)   We heat the house w/ a masonry wood stove, which also heats a 500 gal highly insulated storage tank under the house.   That, in turn, preheats the domestic hot water before it gets to an on-demand propane water heater.   Here's the website documenting our journey so far (hasn't been updated in a while, but will be soon):   http://www.docbryner.com/mossy_hollow

Thanks for the interesting forum.   I like to build things and I'm especially interested in ideas for building a barn in the next few months.   If you have questions/comments about alternative power or living off-grid, I like to discuss.

Merry Christmas!
Marcus

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Re: New to Forestry Forum and living off-grid on timberland in Orgeon
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2011, 04:41:46 pm »
Merry Christmas to you too Marcus, and Welcome to the Forestry Forum.  It certainly sounds like you bring a ton of information and experience with you.  I will look forward to learning more about your adventures.   :)
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Re: New to Forestry Forum and living off-grid on timberland in Orgeon
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2011, 04:49:33 pm »
Merry Christmas and welcome. Magic forgot to say we like pictures. ;D
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Re: New to Forestry Forum and living off-grid on timberland in Orgeon
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2011, 05:09:12 pm »
Wow, I just finished reading and looking at your website.    smiley_thumbsup
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Re: New to Forestry Forum and living off-grid on timberland in Orgeon
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2011, 05:35:54 pm »
Very nice home you have there and welcome to the FF.

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Re: New to Forestry Forum and living off-grid on timberland in Orgeon
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2011, 06:55:26 pm »
Marcus, welcome to the FF and thanks for sharing your story.  You would enjoy the posts that another one of our members made about his journey into an off-grid home.

When you get a chance, do a search for Thomas-in-kentucky and read his blog.  I think that you'll enjoy it.

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Re: New to Forestry Forum and living off-grid on timberland in Orgeon
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2011, 07:31:51 pm »
Marcus :  Welcome to the FF.  I really like your Masonery Stove.  It is super cool.  I haven't looked at all your links yet, but it they are anything like the Stove I will read them all in time...Banjo
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2011, 07:37:34 pm »
Web page is awesome!
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2011, 07:39:40 pm »
Welcome!  Impressive stuff!
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Re: New to Forestry Forum and living off-grid on timberland in Orgeon
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2011, 08:13:41 pm »
Welcome, Marcus.

I noticed you are running a Lister 6/1 clone.  I happen to have three Lister single cyl diesels of military origin.  I intend to mount a 5kw head to one of the engines.  The generator is set up for 1800rms.  I have yet to figure out the pulley sizes I will need to run it off the Lister.  What size head are you turning and what did you do to set it up?
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Re: New to Forestry Forum and living off-grid on timberland in Orgeon
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2011, 09:47:09 pm »
welcome to the forum... all i can say is wow :)
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Re: New to Forestry Forum and living off-grid on timberland in Orgeon
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2011, 10:30:41 pm »
Nice work!  Looks like you've thought out and planned the details.
Very impressive. :)

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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2011, 10:30:50 pm »
Thank you for the kind words.   

The whole project is a still a lot of fun, even when I have to walk down to the powerhouse every night to start the generator to make enough electricity to keep the batteries charged up.   Even w/ 3 kw of solar panels we don't make enough every day in winter.   We use about 10-12 kwh/day, which is quite efficient, I think.

doctorb: what is your specialty?   I'm Dr. B, too. (interventional radiologist).

onewithwood:  my gen head is oversized for the 6 hp listeroid -- I went w/ a 7 kw ST head, which is about double what a 6/1 can output continuously, but all the rotating mass can start some big loads then.   The ST heads are simple and relatively cheap.   The pulley ratio is about 3:1.   Listeroid runs about 600 rpm and the gen head at 1800.   The specific size pulley will vary w/ your exact engine.   There are many different Lister clones.   I belong to the www.listerengine.com forum and the www.microcogen.info forum.   You'll find lots of data there.   Also, Tom Osborne from Georgia Generator is a supplier.   He's on the web and also sells on ebay.

banjo picker:  I'm sitting next to the masonry stove right now, waiting for the relatives to arrive for Christmas*.   Wife just pulled the bread out of the built-in bakeoven.   :)

Marcus

edit: fixed microcogen link, and listerengine.com has been down for some reason for the past day
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Re: New to Forestry Forum and living off-grid on timberland in Orgeon
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2011, 10:56:38 pm »
WELCOME TO FF

Just finished looking over your project.  WOW

Very Very Nice.

Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2011, 01:53:08 am »
welcome to the forestry forum schweizer! i hope your Christmas was merry.  Very nice work on the home place!  I am an aspiring off-gridder, though not there yet.  i hope to be within the next 24 months.  I have enough water flow/vertical head to support micro hydro, and will move in that direction and later incorporate solar.  My whole approach is doing it on the cheap.  That is the challenge.  When i get some of my more pressing projects done, I hope to get started on the power generation/storage/distribution. You are near the heart of Oregon's mother lode country!  We do a lot of work in that area (Curry Co, Coos Co, Douglas Co, for  private timber companies.  There is a lot of that yellow stuff down in that part of Oregon!  Need to stick a pan in yer creek and check it out, you might be surprised what you find :) The way you are improving your place you are producing quite a gem as it is!  Thanks for sharing, and posting all your "doings" on your web blog. Very impressive!
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« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2011, 09:23:58 am »
Welcome to forestry forum!  Interesting and well laid out website.  Maybe the first time (that I know of) to see a masonry stove.  Impressive. 

Wonder why you have the very high fence around the garden, deer?

With such a pretty stream through your property I can't help but ask if it has fish and do you fish for them?  (What kind?)

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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2011, 02:56:54 pm »
I will be making many visits to that site.
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« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2011, 04:55:51 pm »
I too will be visiting that site often. Welcome to the forum, glad to have you aboard.
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« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2011, 12:44:05 am »
mad_murdock:  microhydro on the cheap is a challenge.   Future project for me.

fishpharmer: Yep, fence is for the deer.  They're like rats on stilts around here.   Yes, the creek is a steelhead spawning stream.   Technically not allowed to fish it, but who would know when you're fishing on your own land.   The Applegate and Rogue River have great fishing, but their smaller tributaries like our creek are off-limits.   Oh, for the masonry stove, look for Heat Kit (www.heatkit.com) to see what can be done with them.

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« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2011, 10:46:34 pm »
Welcome to the Forestry Forum schweizer.  Your project was extremely well done. It is nice to see someone using a masonry heater, most people do not know how well these heaters work. In the 40 some years I have worked at plumbing and heating I have seen maybe 10 masonry heaters built. They are rare but the are one of the best ways to keep your house warm.   Holmes
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