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Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« on: October 17, 2011, 08:55:09 pm »
I currently operate a manual mill, MX34, and am considering upgrading to a hydraulic mill. I have narrowed it down to either the LT40 Woodmizer or the Timber King 2000. Both have pros and cons but I'm leaning more toward the LT40. I am wandering if anyone operating a Woodmizer mill has had any problems with the canterlever head. Competition condemns the canterlever design claiming you can't get accurate cuts but I would think Woodmizer would have enough sense to change their design if there were any issues with it.

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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2011, 09:00:03 pm »
There is only about a million (maybe more) LT40's out there working every day.  The reputation and reliability of that mill is tried and true many times over. 

Both mills you asked about will saw great lumber, it comes down to personal preference.
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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2011, 09:07:03 pm »
Got two of em and they both saw good lumber....Woodmizer Rocks! smiley_thumbsup
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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2011, 09:21:35 pm »
No, I like it. Never tried a 4 post though.
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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2011, 09:30:47 pm »
Folks that bad mouth the cantilever head have never run a woodmizer. It not only works well, but has some distinct advantages over a 4 post mill.
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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2011, 09:35:20 pm »
I don't know why timberking keeps beating on that dead horse claim of theirs that a cantilievered  head doesn't cut straight lumber. Its Stupid.
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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2011, 10:32:33 pm »
nothing wrong with the timber king mill. Well built and  does a good job but I went LT40 HDG28 WoodMizer because off bearing is just a lot less stress on the body and I find maintenance to be easier because you dont have any real tough reaching to do to get at things. Have not regretted the decision to date. Service is awesome too. Never had a problem with straight sawing at all. Timber King really needs to get over that one already and find something that really is a genuine advantage in their mill. Its a four poster and it cuts well! Its just not a Woodmizer.

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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2011, 10:40:24 pm »
A friend of mine has an LT40 and i have an EZ Boardwalk model 40. He has watched mine saw and I have seen his saw. We both came to the conclusion that the gripe on either mill is simply NOT TRUE.  PC
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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2011, 10:49:33 pm »
The fact is they are both good sawmills, just different designs.  I imagine that most owners have not tried the other and it doesn't matter anyway.  I say, dance with the one that brought you.   :)
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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2011, 10:55:45 pm »
Yeah...that original cantilever design has been sawing lumber for pushing thirty years now...woodmizer seems to be the generic term among non mill owners for bandsaw mill...one of the first questions I usually get...is it a woodmizer?
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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2011, 12:31:44 am »
I wouldn't pay much attention to Timberkings sales techniques on whose design is better. The most important thing you should be thinking about is what sawmill will fit your needs. if you can afford all the bells and whistles you have to be able to understand them and be able to work on them because you will have problems and lots of them. A new mill will only cut straight for so long. warranty parts will run out, you will have exspensive motors, relays, switches,bearings and chains to replace as hours add up on your mill. Make sure you pick the mill that you can see yourself tearing into and repairing or replaceing parts as needed. Most of the sawmill companys will have great technical support over the phone and a few will have actual mechanics come to your mill but sooner or later its just going to be you working on it.
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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2011, 04:35:59 am »
I second what redbeard says, red or orange both mills cut lumber. its the service behind the sale that makes life,s little pain in the backside,s easier to  deal with and Woodmizer is one of the best companies around for customer support. Tim

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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2011, 05:22:30 am »
I currently operate a manual mill, MX34, and am considering upgrading to a hydraulic mill. I have narrowed it down to either the LT40 Woodmizer or the Timber King 2000. Both have pros and cons but I'm leaning more toward the LT40. I am wandering if anyone operating a Woodmizer mill has had any problems with the canterlever head. Competition condemns the canterlever design claiming you can't get accurate cuts but I would think Woodmizer would have enough sense to change their design if there were any issues with it.

 can't get accurate cuts ???? your kidding right? Sat I was cutting 15" wide pine,shaved off a piece about 1/8 thick just to show the guy how thin it could cut.
Same size on both sides of the board,and 12' long. And thats on a 1984 woodmizer LT30.How much more accurate can you get with wood??
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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2011, 05:44:30 am »
Another thought would be maintenance.

I don't saw through the winter, my mill is parked in the garage.

On nice days throughout the winter, I will be out there doing a complete alignment on the mill.

Even though it has already been aligned, something could be off.  Going through the alignment, the process is explained step-by-step in the manual.  The whole process doesn't take long at all.

I've watched a TK owner saw with his mill (he had it 2 years at the time).  It just didn't look like it operated as smooth as my WM.

As already stated, both mills are good, the only difference is in the design.
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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2011, 06:19:08 am »
I have a 1992 LT 40 No problems. The other thing I really like is the service from Woodmizer. I bought mine used & they have helped me alot. Good luck
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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2011, 07:38:31 am »
Back in the 80's when Cedarworks first contacted us about sawing cants, I said no, I didn't want to saw cants, but would saw 3 1/2 x 3 1/2 for their mailbox post markets.  They said they couldn't use bandsawn posts as they weren't square coming from bandmills.  I said, I would make a few and bring them over.  Sure enough they were square and we never had a problem keeping them square.  Over the years we sawed for them, we probably sent them over a million posts.  Squareness was never an issue because we maintained squareness.  Not only on the WM, but the Baker scragg as well.  Both can get out of square and it is up to us to regularly check.  That is why there is a little square next to the mill.
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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2011, 07:59:48 am »
We currently own a 4 post mill, and two Woodmizers. We started with another woodmizer. I would take the design of the woodmizer any day over the 4 poster. Properly aligned, they both cut straight lumber. But I think the WM is easier to align. Easier to offbear. Easier to edge on when you are working with long  heavy stuff. Easier to change blades.

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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2011, 08:10:38 am »
You guys hardly need me any more...  :'(
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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2011, 08:17:21 am »
AWW, don't feel left out Bibby.
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Re: Anyone have trouble with canterlever head
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2011, 08:28:47 am »
You guys hardly need me any more...  :'(

That is simply not true either! smiley_old_guy  PC
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