Author Topic: Lumber shed (Read 2207 times)

Bill Gaiche · « **on:** October 01, 2011, 10:38:45 pm »

Well I have spent the last week building this simple shed to store my extra kiln dried lumber in. Not fancy but I believe it will work. Will install metal roof next week and then side it with vertical red oak 1x8. bg

Left Coast Chris · « **Reply #1 on:** October 01, 2011, 11:18:28 pm »

That is a good looking shed Bill. Any snow load there? Are you using 6x for your headers carying the roof joists?

Rooster · « **Reply #2 on:** October 01, 2011, 11:23:05 pm »

You can always tell the difference between a "Southern Gentleman's" shed, and the ones we have Up Nort'.

"To be pitch the roof , or not to be pitch the roof...that is the question."

Say, you did such a great job on the frame, maybe you should hang out in the Timber-framing and log construction section of the FF more often...

Nice work,

Rooster

Bill Gaiche · « **Reply #3 on:** October 02, 2011, 12:21:30 am »

Left Coast Chris, we do have snow. Had 24" within 3 days this past winter. I will put some X braces in to help suppport the roof. It has 2x8 around the outside with 2x7 rafters. 1x6 nailers for the roof. It may fall in with a big snow but I will wait and see. As long as nobody is in there when it does fall. Another thing, I may not slide off the roof and break something when its this flat. All I have vested is a little fuel for the mill and my free labor.
Rooster,your correct about the roof pitch in the south versus the north. I guess I will never learn. As for the timber frame work, well I dont thing I have the skills that the folks have on there. They do some really great work from what I see. So I will let the pros do all of that so I can admire it.Thanks, bg

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #4 on:** October 02, 2011, 05:02:07 am »

Put a pitched roof on Bill, even if you don't get much snow, it helps shed water better. Otherwise, you'll end up with water damming and breaching the seems between the sheet roofing if sag develops in the middle.

WDH · « **Reply #5 on:** October 02, 2011, 07:08:42 am »

Water runs off that metal roofing like water off a ducks back.

That will be a nice building for sure!

Bill Gaiche · « **Reply #6 on:** October 02, 2011, 10:26:25 am »

It really has some pitch. 12" drop from front to back. bg

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #7 on:** October 02, 2011, 12:01:15 pm »

That will do then.

Magicman · « **Reply #8 on:** October 02, 2011, 02:59:50 pm »

Gonna be a nice shed Bill. I have a couple with ½/12 pitches. Of course, I can also bury water lines at grass root level and not have them freeze also.

Bill Gaiche · « **Reply #9 on:** October 02, 2011, 10:03:22 pm »

MM, we have to be lucky to get away with that you know. bg

WDH · « **Reply #10 on:** October 03, 2011, 07:03:52 am »

There are some advantages to be below the glacial belt

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SwampDonkey · « **Reply #11 on:** October 03, 2011, 04:38:55 pm »

Been known to freeze ships solid.

The largest iceberg on record was sighted by captain Smellie of the S.S. Nascopie of the Hudson's Bay Company: an ice island a hundred feet high and ten miles long, sited in the 1930's. In those pre-radar days he had to smell the presence of ice in fog or in the dark.

In parts of the Hudson's Bay, the earth's magnetism is so powerful that compass needles point nowhere except down; at the entrance to Pond Inlet, earth's variation is more than 100 degrees, so ships have to be steered 10 degrees east of north to be heading west.

[Merchant Princes, Peter Newman]

Bill Gaiche · « **Reply #12 on:** October 05, 2011, 09:49:02 pm »

Yesterday was able to install metal roofing. Hope to get some sidding cut in a few days. Taking the boss to the Tulsa state fair tomorrow and Friday doing some backhoe work for neighbor. bg

WDH · « **Reply #13 on:** October 05, 2011, 09:51:31 pm »

Awesome! With a few more 2x4"s and a gate, you can moonlight as a covered corral if the sawmill business gets slow! I look forward to seeing your sawmill in its new home.

Enjoy the fair!

Magicman · « **Reply #14 on:** October 06, 2011, 11:59:29 am »

That is very nice Bill. Is there anything wrong with me being envious

Wick · « **Reply #15 on:** October 06, 2011, 12:46:17 pm »

Nice shed. That is how I built my wood shed, just a smaller scale. And maybe not quite that square

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So the posts are not pressure treated, right? But it looks like you self treated the bottom portions.
Have thought of trying that myself. Can you tell us about the in ground process?

WDH · « **Reply #16 on:** October 06, 2011, 08:57:30 pm »

If those posts were down here, that could be from where the wild hogs have been rubbing on them

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zopi · « **Reply #17 on:** October 06, 2011, 09:15:26 pm »

The old guys here soak posts in used motor oil mixed with diesel...not exactly the eco friendly thing to do, but seems to work...

Bill Gaiche · « **Reply #18 on:** October 06, 2011, 09:59:06 pm »

MM, no need to be envious. I know you could build a nicer one if you choose to. The ground is very rocky where the shed is. Just dig hole add several rocks to bottom and add post fill and tamp. More rock than dirt. Post are treated with used Rotella 15w40. No it may not be nature friendly, but mother nature may forgive me a little. Guys thanks for your kind words also.bg

Bill Gaiche · « **Reply #19 on:** October 11, 2011, 10:19:04 pm »

I am finished with the lumber shed. All I need now is unload the kiln into it. bg

WDH · « **Reply #20 on:** October 11, 2011, 10:36:31 pm »

You can put a whack in that shed.

Magicman · « **Reply #21 on:** October 12, 2011, 07:13:47 am »

You did good Bill, very good.

GF · « **Reply #22 on:** October 12, 2011, 08:50:52 am »

That looks great, how long before its full and you need to build another?

GF

Al_Smith · « **Reply #23 on:** October 12, 2011, 10:52:51 am »

Very nice . I wouldn't get too concerned about that oil,it isn't going to go any place .

Actually the part of the post buried in the ground would take forever to go bad .That portion about 6-10" deep is where any deteriation would take place .

FWIW they make a protective paper like stuff they bury about a foot deep around power poles to prevent or lessen the effects .

Bill Gaiche · « **Reply #24 on:** October 12, 2011, 11:25:50 am »

Thanks guys for the comments. GF, I hope not to fill it up and build another. Its dried lumber for home projects for friends and family. Al I was thinking the same thing. It will surley outlast me. bg

LeeB · « **Reply #25 on:** October 12, 2011, 12:30:53 pm »

How quickly are you going to use the lumber? It will regain moisture unless you seal wrap it.

Al_Smith · « **Reply #26 on:** October 12, 2011, 12:56:03 pm »

I'm not so sure if it will or not .All that kiln dried good doug fir from the coast doesn't suck up miosture nor does dried oak from Ohio .They store it in open sheds .

Besides that every time I was in Oklahoma it was dry as a popcorn fart .I'm surprised in some parts of the state they can even grow weeds .

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #27 on:** October 12, 2011, 02:38:07 pm »

It'll only change with the annual climate fluctuations like it would in any building.

LeeB · « **Reply #28 on:** October 12, 2011, 05:46:15 pm »

This is true, however if it is planned for indoor use it will need to remain drier than what it will storing it outside. Heated and airconditioned air in OK will be much drier than outside air. No problem if you design for the difference. If it is for construction lumber, again no problem. If not you may as well air dry.

The shed does look great though.

WDH · « **Reply #29 on:** October 12, 2011, 08:09:58 pm »

A man has to have place to put his wood.

Bill Gaiche · « **Reply #30 on:** October 12, 2011, 08:25:48 pm »

I guess if the dried lumber in the shed has a to high of MC for indoor projects it could be run through the kiln again. What is the highest MC do you allow for indoor use. What do you think? bg

WDH · « **Reply #31 on:** October 12, 2011, 08:32:17 pm »

9% - 10% here in humid Georgia. I use 12% - 14% air dried lumber for projects all the time, but I allow for shrinkage in the design of the project.

LeeB · « **Reply #32 on:** October 12, 2011, 10:47:23 pm »

I use air dried at 12 - 14% also and as Danny mentioned, i allow for the movement in the design. All my wood is stored outside under a cover same as you are going to do. I just wanted you to know that it will regain moisture when stored that way if you didn't already know this.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #33 on:** October 13, 2011, 04:37:49 am »

All my projects are from air dried wood. Moisture, unknown. But I don't use it unless at least 3 years air dried. As stated, design for movement. The only trouble is using resinous woods that has to be set. So maybe up in the rafters under steel roofing in the summer heat will solve that, don't know. If you can get it up over 100 degrees, it'll probably be fine unless you like to keep the house 120 degrees inside.

Kiln lumber up here is only down to 19 % anyway and the climate averages 16 %.

edkemper · « **Reply #34 on:** October 13, 2011, 04:23:49 pm »

Seems to me this thread outlines why I need a mill.

I have plenty of trees and will have plenty of need of covered buildings.

I guess it'd go a lot faster if I could cut what I need and have it stored onsite.

Nice addition.

Bill Gaiche · « **Reply #35 on:** October 13, 2011, 08:53:24 pm »

Welcome and yes you need to get started on the purchase of a mill. Trees to cut lumber to mill and buildings to construct. What are you waiting for? bg

Magicman · « **Reply #36 on:** October 13, 2011, 09:23:31 pm »

Welcome to the Forestry Forum edkemper. Yes there are many valid reasons to own a sawmill.

davidlarson · « **Reply #37 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:24:17 pm »

edkemper -
Yes, welcome to the Forestry Forum. I used similar reasoning. I said that I needed a sawmill in order to cut logs into boards and beams in order to make a proper shed to house a sawmill that I needed. Now I have a sawmill, and some logs, and am about to make some boards and beams.
Anyway, good luck on your projects, and again, welcome.

David L.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #38 on:** October 14, 2011, 04:14:05 am »

In another 10 years, I have a spot on the woodlot that a man could slice up some fir for a building or two, such as a saw shed and a little cabin to warm up in the winter. You guys are to blame with those mills.

paul case · « **Reply #39 on:** October 14, 2011, 08:53:32 am »

Quote from: davidlarson on October 13, 2011, 11:24:17 pm

edkemper -
Yes, welcome to the Forestry Forum. I used similar reasoning. I said that I needed a sawmill in order to cut logs into boards and beams in order to make a proper shed to house a sawmill that I needed. Now I have a sawmill, and some logs, and am about to make some boards and beams.
Anyway, good luck on your projects, and again, welcome.

David L.

that's circular thinking. i bet it is a bandmill too. pc

Bill Gaiche · « **Reply #40 on:** October 14, 2011, 09:24:42 am »

SwampDonkey , sorry that we have been such a bad influence on you, but we are glad that its making you rethink about the need for a mill. You may want to get started soon and do a little practicing for those buildings. bg

WDH · « **Reply #41 on:** October 14, 2011, 05:52:30 pm »

A name change would be in order. SwampMiller has a nice ring to it

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Magicman · « **Reply #42 on:** October 14, 2011, 07:01:11 pm »

Yup, that is better than Sawin'Donkey.

LeeB · « **Reply #43 on:** October 14, 2011, 08:08:43 pm »

I dunno, Saw Donkey don't sound too bad either.

WDH · « **Reply #44 on:** October 15, 2011, 01:17:22 am »

I saw a donkey once, but I did not bray much attention at the time

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Magicman · « **Reply #45 on:** October 15, 2011, 07:43:07 am »

A typical SawDonkey. He could not saw, but I saw him bray.

edkemper · « **Reply #46 on:** October 16, 2011, 06:42:53 pm »

Thanks for the welcome. I'm a gimpy 60yo man about to have my last kid graduate high school. We have about 160 acres of second growth lodgepole pines in the high desert region of Southern Oregon. I'd like to slowly clear some of the forest into a farm. Perhaps growing it slowly in size as I get the soil healthy for growing in sections. I thought of having it clear cut and just get on with it. But I'm retiring to this land and am not going to be in a hurry. We're going to build 2 small real log homes, one with a surrounding covered porch. I want to sit on the porch with my wife in the mornings and enjoy a cup of coffee.

Now I'll need a job enrich my soul. I first thought of firewood. I have plenty of trees. plenty of dead wood. Then the idea of a portable mill and being able to cut my own lumber and perhaps some custom cutting for others might be the ticket. Not looking to get rich, just make enough profit to keep my farm status and slowly expand as my knowledge and experience increases. We want a few meat cattle and a herd of meat goats and some chickens for meat and eggs.

What we want to leave behind is a farm based program for autistic young adults. A place they can go and grow without their parents. Autism effects far more than the person diagnosed. It's very hard for parents to let their autistic kids grow up. Our son is autistic and we'd like to create something that will outlast us, for him and others. A type of collective perhaps. Modest sized real log homes are extremely cheap to build. A modest house for a caretaker/supervisor, group housing for the "farmhands" and perhaps a free standing kitchen. Perhaps a type of year round program where the participants can learn the lessons of life on a farm. Working the garden and livestock. Selling at the local Farmers markets. Sharing in the income. Not a place to pay to go, a place to work to stay.

A place that will run itself without us. So we can travel not because we died. <smile>

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Author Topic: Lumber shed (Read 2207 times)