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Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« on: January 16, 2004, 04:51:29 pm »
The radio announcer came on this morning on my way to work and said that Connecticut was having
Minus 100 degrees with wind chill factor!!


It's 67 degrees here but I still rolled up my windows and turned on the heater when I heard that. :-/ :)
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Re: Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2004, 05:29:52 pm »
It was 12 degrees here this afternoon and when the sun went down it is 6. Was working on my mill all day today, and after the sun went down the bolts and nuts were sticking to my fingers. Thats when I decided its time to quit.
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2004, 05:42:59 pm »
It's getting old.
no school in any of our 13 districts for two days. 8)
greenhouse covering shattered wed. in cold and wind. :'(
Everybody I see is grouchy, glad I'm not like that- ::)
spent the last 4 days feeding fires, checking on vacation homes, feeding fires,starting vehicles, feeding fires, thawing pipes in vacation homes, feeding fires, repairing freezups,feeding fires,listening to sunworshipping wife complain about  cold,feeding fires- thank God I have wood heat so I can feed fires! ::)
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Re: Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2004, 05:46:04 pm »
Thermal underwear/sweat pants/pants/2 pair socks/These artic boots called ironage(ssteel toe)thermal shirt/wool shirt sweat shirt/ winter jacket/good hat and of coarse the hunnting mittts Out side all day :'(
 

WAY TOO COLD TO FISH :'( :'( :'(

Pleanty of ice now, Just need some temps around freezing or above
 Tom should open that door down south and let some heat in up here ;D

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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2004, 05:58:58 pm »
It was -8 here this morning when the sun tryed to come up for the third time the wind blew it back down the first two times :D. Told the help stay home it took an hour yesterday to get the power unit started even being pluged in  the off bearing belt was froze and I gave up on the mulch grinder.Got the skidsteer started today and putterd around in the log yard. It's to cold to even try to split wood.

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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2004, 06:00:00 pm »
I read that Gore was giving a speach on global warming about the the same time in New York.  Seems that global warming is the cause of this!!

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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2004, 06:22:26 pm »
Mustang, did he invent that too? :D 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) :'(
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2004, 06:49:33 pm »
We were sawing at 6:00 this morning. It was nippy enough the board piler didnt shed any cloths till about 7 oclock. It was -7o when we started, -10o around day light then warmed up to around 6o above when we quit at noon.
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Re: Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2004, 08:19:54 pm »
Jeff, there's a couple of things about that post that really confound me. ???  The first one is, why would anyone be sawing lumber when it is ten below?? The second one is, why the hell would anybody in their right mind be sawing lumber at SIX A. M.?   :P ??? :P ??? :P ???
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2004, 08:30:31 pm »
The quitting at noon sounds ok though. :D
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Re: Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2004, 10:44:41 pm »
67 degrees is well beyond tee shirt and shorts weather ;D I first closed my bathroom window last week ;D :D ;)

Heck, I can't wait to go snowmobiling this weekend. 70 mph busting through fresh snow on my dads farm. Wearing only sweatshirt, carhart winter jacket, hat, gloves, jeans, and lacross ice kings. Layers are for wimps, and so are long undies.

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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2004, 02:55:30 am »
At least it's a dry cold.
I usually have one spell first thing where my hands freeze and I want to cry, then get thawed out and I'm ok the rest of the day. The spring and fall around here are usually so wet and cold and LONG that it's a pleasure to not have to slop around in the mud.
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2004, 03:42:05 am »
Left at 6:00 yesterday for a to Dayton, Ohio.  Temp was about 5 and the F350 started right up. Let her run for about 15 min. then started out. We were in Ohio before that cab started to warm up. Water temp never got above 160 the whole trip and we run that heater full blast the whole trip. Gonna hafta think about insulating that cab!
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2004, 05:37:36 am »
Hey Shop teacher, you oughta live far enough North ta know ya just fix that by throwing a piece of cardboard in front of da radiator. :)

DanG, we start sawing at 6 cause I can't get them to start at 5. ;D
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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2004, 07:00:35 am »
It was 0 here yesterday morning at 7:00, so I said heck with it and went to the PA Farm Show. Drove halfway there till the heater warmed up enough to take off my gloves. Got to see the new Woodmizer 70 though. It's quite a machine.
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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2004, 07:21:24 am »
I've always figured I lose more money than I make when things get too cold.  Power unit is tough to start, some belts are froze, hydraulic lines are more apt to break, hydraulics are sluggish and slow, anything metal is more brittle, and there is too much DanG mud frozen to the logs.  

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Re: Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2004, 08:06:20 am »
Tom that minus 100F I believe was at the top of Mt. Washington in N.H. that's woodmills country... I'm located right at the top of ME. we only had minus 67F wind chill this week  :D.

Here's a link to the observatory at the top of the mountain. They record some of the coldest temps in the country.  :o

http://www.mountwashington.org/


To answer your question "Holy Cow!  How do you stand it"  you stay indoors as much as you can, why go outside the Dang pickup won't start anyway.  ;) None of our three vehicles started for three days.  Even the F150 with a block heater didn't start cause the battery was froze.  Had to use the trickle charger ta warm her up a bit.

Like karl said "feeding fires" great place to dispose of that slab wood you squirreled away last fall.
Read that book you've been wanting to read..eat..catch up on sleep..do a jigsaw puzzle..play cribbage..eat some more..try out a new recipe you found at the FF..read all the postings at the FF..Tell folks at the FF how cold it's been and why you sill love living up there.  ;D

weather report from northern Maine;
sunny with 21F...wind 24MPH.. feels like 4F..

It's a heat wave gonna take the son inlaw ice fishing today..need to lift his spirits a bit.. Went to visit a chum at his ice shack yesterday,  him and his 80 year old dad where yanking in the smelt by the dozens and also caught some 2 and 3 pound brookies..yum--yum for dinner tonight.

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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2004, 11:01:21 am »



cold here too.Its a good time to catch up on inside work.

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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2004, 02:55:17 pm »
wow termite , smelt and brook trout ! that sounds great ! we be heavy into crappie fishing a few hours after dark every night here in minnesota , a normal ice fishing shack is about 8 x 8 but my cousin made a 12 x 24 and leaves the heat on , and the t.v. and the stereo , even has a small bathroom . doesnt feel like fishing in that big thing so we use the 8 x 8 and a woodstove , the weather channel just been showing mount washington all week , I love bad weather and trout , lets trade !  :D
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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2004, 03:06:03 pm »
-32 thursday mornin when i got up to cut wood. -70 with the wind. no exposed flesh and no booze.
seems when its this cold, i burn wood faster ???
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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2004, 04:14:59 pm »
I don't like that bad cold y'all get back east so I moved to Alaska! :D :D

It's the coldest it's been all year hear in Palmer Alaska.
Today
-7 at 8am
-10 just after sunup
+3 at 3 pm
clear and clam no wind chill at all. ;)

Y'all have fun ;) it will be worming up soon over there!
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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2004, 04:48:40 pm »
Appears whining works- it warmed up about 20 degrees today!
drove south 3 hrs today to do some cabinfever shopping down in woodmills country. plugged in the tractor tonight- hadn't even bothered before this week-gonna get smore wood from the yard tomora an' stick it the kiln. Gonna get upwards of 15 ABOVE !  8)
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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2004, 04:57:10 pm »
ADfields,

"no wind chill at all"...... that's the key...I can take less 10 with no wind   :)
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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2004, 05:36:04 pm »
If the wind blows hear it will be ten above or better outside, 20 or 30 above mostly if it's windy out and thats bad enough for me!   This part of Alaska is not near as cold as say Detroit but it do stay on longer. :-/   All them tales of Alaska being a frozen wast land are only half true, much of the half north of the Alaska Range is.   But this down here is not, it's cold but not bitter cold folks think of Alaska. ;)   Fairbanks was -51 the other morning with a 15 mile an hour south wind, my chill factor chart don't cover that cold!!! :o   Same day we were 16 above and dead calm.   I's glad to live in this little valley hear!! 8) 8)
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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2004, 08:10:47 pm »
It is a balmy 24 here right now.  The coldest I got during the spell was -9.6 with a wind chill around -40.  Mt Washington came to within 2 degrees of its lowest ever I think it was -44 real temp with -120 wind chill.  That place still has the higest recorded wind speed of any where on earth.  The weather on that mountain can turn very dangerous almost any time of year.
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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2004, 08:19:56 pm »
I was noodling around the mt washington site looking for photos of the rhime ice that grows on almost every thing, especially man made stuff.  I only found this one but I think the link will take you to their phot gallery.  There really are some beautiful pictures taken of and from the mountain.
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« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2004, 09:13:38 pm »
The company i work for installed A concrete building on Mt.washington in september. It was 32 with 60 mph winds.
 They had 2 cranes on site and 5 tractortrailers to move the peices.
The truckers said that was one of the scariest sites they have been to.The climb is steep , road is narrow. and the corners are sharp. Front tires in one ditch and trailers in the other. back up truck behind the tractors.add in top heavey loads. These guys were happy to see the top. Going down, It`s all down hill. on the road or not.everyone made it down ok.brakes were hot even after a few pull-offs.

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« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2004, 04:56:05 am »
I've been around Mt Washington, twice  The first time I was camping in the area.  Nice weather, so I decided to go up Mt Washington the next day.  Weather turned to cloud cover.  The day before you could see all the way to Connecticut.  So, I never made it up.

The next time, I was in Gorham. NH.  We stayed at a local motel and was talking to the owner, who was a lifelong resident.  She said they used to go skiing on the 4th of July.  There were some coves to the north side that would have just enough snow that you could do a little skiing.  Wouldn't happen every year.
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« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2004, 09:20:26 am »
I've been up and down Mt. Washington a few times during my days with the US Forest Service. The weather really needs respect there. I believe that there have been over 100 deaths on the Mountain. High wind readings of 263 MPH.



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« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2004, 09:53:16 am »
Something told me you probably had been up there. Bet you weren't scuba diving :D

Do you have any pictures of the place or could tell us what it is like? :P :)
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« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2004, 10:52:34 am »
I do have  some pictures stored away somewhere. Will have to find them if I can. Mostly slides. That was back about 1972 or so.

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« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2004, 10:56:50 am »
Ron! You can't stop there! I just scooched forward in my chair!
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« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2004, 11:03:22 am »
A plane crash!  ???

Now my interest is peeked for sure. :)

My scanner has a slide attachment and I've saved a lot of old slides by digitizing them onto the computer.  If you don't have one then it would be a good investment.  My scanner is a HP
scanjet 5370C that I got a couple or three years ago.  It looks like its purpose is to black out the peripheryof the slide and to change the light source from inside of the scannere box to a unit that is placed on top of the slide.  It works pretty good.

It sure makes you realize how careful you should be in storing your slides though.  Mine were covered with dirt, dust and hair.  I cleaned them the best I  could and spent a lot of time with Adobe retouching the images.  I have pictures now that I wouldn't give up for the world.  Ah! memories. :)
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« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2004, 12:29:46 pm »
Yes, it was Santa Clause's plane. He was flying from town to town in the area for visits and didn't make it over the Mountain as the story goes.

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« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2004, 01:21:51 pm »
I've begun walking with a limp.  Just noticed it coming form the kitchen a while ago.  Kinda like I had one leg pulled. :-/ :D
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« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2004, 03:27:50 pm »
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Tom,it would have been better for you to cover them with a soft cloth in a airtight container,and store in a cool,dry area.

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Yep! :D
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« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2004, 06:10:00 pm »
 :D :D
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« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2004, 05:48:28 am »
Try this link from google for tuckerman's ravine.  I believe it is the most famous place around here for using skis in late spring early summer, and yes people die on the maountain.

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« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2004, 03:53:07 pm »
Great pictures of Tuckerman's Ravine. Yes it is famous for its late spring skiing attraction. A good hike up, but fast ride down. It can be a "killer" also. I've attended some avalanche training sessions there years back with the White Mountain snow rangers.
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« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2004, 12:21:40 pm »
Them wind chill numbers is just one more useless thing made up by the yuppies and city slickers to make them feel more macho going from their overheated houses to their overheated places of business.
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« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2004, 06:20:27 pm »
Well I put on 3 pair of shorts and 3  T-shirts this morning and was still cold. :D
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« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2004, 12:03:05 am »
Supposed to get down to -10F tonight with a high of 5 tomorrow.

I sawed 750 BF of oak and ash last Sunday when it was 15F.

Heck, I had to unzip my jacket.....was getting too warm ;D Even took the snowmobile for a ride around the farm.

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« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2004, 08:26:34 am »
This morning it was 4 degrees and windy here on the farm. Had a pretty good week, so I said might as well take another Friday off, so here I am sitting in front of the computer. I've found that some of our older equipment is more hassle than anything in the bitter cold, so I'll let it have a day off.

A buddy of mine stopped by the mill a little while ago to show me his Stihl 066 that he just broke the gas tank on because of the cold. I told him that's why I'm staying close to the fire till it warms up a little.

I agree with splinters in the wind chill department. The local TV news was reporting -17 degree temps this morning. I said it can't be that cold and listened longer. Here they said it was -17 wind chill on top of a mountain somewhere north of us. I guess they'll say anything to get folks wound up.
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« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2004, 01:57:27 pm »
We had 7 this morning with a wind chill of about -5.  We even worked today, although the equipment could have done better.  If you let it sit for about 5 minutes, the hydraulics would get slow.

My production usually drops due to slow hydraulics.  I lose the first half hour just trying to get things up to speed.  

Not to sound too pessimistic, but next weekend is supposed to be even colder.   :o
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« Reply #45 on: January 23, 2004, 03:18:13 pm »
I've never been confronted with that kind of problem down here ;D  but can't you put a heater in the bulk tank?  How long would it take to flush the lines of cold fluid? It may not be worth it because my oil heats up pretty quick just from use. Is it the lines cooling down that cause the problem?
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« Reply #46 on: January 23, 2004, 05:14:07 pm »
We have a heater in the tank.  Its supposed to heat things up to 50 degrees.  It doesn't work all that well in this type of weather.

In the summer, we don't want our hydraulics over 150, so we have a cooler on the system.  The highest I've had is about 170.

I believe the operating range should be about 120-150.  I can't make that 120 in the winter.  Sometimes I can't even make 80.

The only way to get oil warm is to move the oil.  That involves running motors, and cylinders.  Its hard to get a feel for the carriage when the oil is that thick.  I moving 47 GPM for my carriage pump.  My other pump is moving 75 GPM.  

The worst is on the sets.  I was cutting 8/4, and it took 5 seconds or better to make the set, when I first started.  It got better after 15 minutes, and was up to par after the first 1/2 hour.  Tapers move slow, as do the forward and reverse on the headblocks.

It takes a while for the oil to move from the tank to the motor or cylinder.  Some of them don't get moved too much, so they stay sluggish.  With a wind blowing over exposed lines, it doesn't take long for it to cool down.

The nice thing is that I have heat in the booth, so it don't bother me too much.
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« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2004, 05:30:05 pm »
Yesterday we were cutting pallet boards on the resaw.  It has variable speed hydraulic feed.  While I'm letting the engine warm up,  I run the feed belt full speed.  Even so,  when we start sawing ( I feed and my son returns cants and sorts boards) the speed will gradually increase as the fluid warms up.  Pretty soon both our tongues are hanging out so it gets slowed down.  That gets repeated two or three times on a cold day. :D
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« Reply #48 on: January 23, 2004, 05:57:45 pm »
 I took the day off, skidder won't start below 20* . It was 7* at noon so I decided to go look for a new tractor. The massy dealer in Belchertown Ma. has some rentals in. We looked at a 1433, large compact, 33 hp. Weelll it started right up with only 30 seconds of glow plug. I'm a thinkin its just what I need to replace the yamaha 4/ wheeler. two rules to buying equipt, no flat tires and its got to start.
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« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2004, 05:13:38 am »
Well the cold got me today or maybe I should say my equipment. It was -2  I started the firewood processer let it run 30 min put up some small dia logs and started. Real slow at first then the splitter slowed down. Next log a little bigger the cylinder would not push it through in fact it couldn't push anything  >:(. Took apart a valve. Sure enough parts from inside the cylinder stuck in the valve :'(. Just to cold for equipment to work.

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« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2004, 05:31:52 am »
Ya I'm sitting here feeding the fire reading the forum and the weather forcast says it's 9F out now and gonna get real cold next week. Which means get more firewood split. Cell phone rings and it's #1 son calling. I can verily hear him and he tells me it cause the wind blowing off the ocean is making the noise. And where might I ask are you at, oh Portugal. And how warm is it. Oh about 75F, and so your calling to rub it in. Oh no dad I'd never do that. The Air Force flies this little fart around Europe to investigate computer crimes on my dime and I'm trying to figure out how many of these occur on the beaches of Portugal. Tough job I tell him. Need any help. :D
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« Reply #51 on: January 24, 2004, 07:06:35 am »
I dont know how cold it is here, but the dogs went out and came in after just 5 minutes all crippled up from cold feet. The little guy looked pretty funny walking on just his front feet. and the old dog looked purely pitiful. Its gotta be 10 below or better for that to happen.  Yep, they sya the cold weather aint here yet but is coming next week.
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« Reply #52 on: January 25, 2004, 04:12:47 am »
 it just hit 20 below and we are up on the hill! man it is gonna be cold down by the river.Momma just threw the three legged dog out, i don't think she even made it off the porch before she came back! Gotta go,have a few cows to poke! ;)
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« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2004, 04:36:47 am »
Went down The bulkhead on friday to check the amount of oil in the tank, half full so should make it a few more days.  Get up saturday morning and the thermometer says 3 below.  Go to make coffee and no water.  Now it can't be frozen since it was fine last time when it was below zero for 4 days with a low of 10 below.

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« Reply #55 on: January 25, 2004, 06:57:32 am »
Breederman,

I've got a jacket with no left sleeve that I'd sell cheap :D :D

I did our AI work untill a couple of years ago when I messed up my left shoulder.

We bred the cows in the barn,  but heifers outside.  Man that arm would get cold untill you got into 'working position'   ;)

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« Reply #56 on: January 25, 2004, 03:06:11 pm »
Ron, how big is you hydraulic system? Have you considered using a synthetic 0W30 or 5W30? Even a conventional 5W30 makes a good hydraulic oil for cold weather. We have trouble up here with motograder hydraulic system and long small diameter lines that span the length of the machine. They just don't get warm but the synthetic oil really helps. It has a pour point of around -70F.

What kind of cooler are you using? Can it be used as a heater instead?

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« Reply #57 on: January 25, 2004, 03:54:09 pm »
Bro.Noble   Thanks for the offer :D I have a selection of insulated vests that I wear. Had to wear my carrhart heavy bibs this morning, left the "Breedermobile" running half the day
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« Reply #58 on: January 25, 2004, 05:04:02 pm »
We have a 250 gallon tank.  I'm not sure what type of oil we are using.  I know its pretty expensive.  We have to worry more about the upper end of temps, since we have more hot days than bitter cold days.  Usually, we only have a few days a year where the temp doesn't get above 20 and a only a few nights that get down to about 0.  

Our oil cooler acts like a radiator.  A fan blows air over some cooling fins.  It is on the return side, and under low pressure.  We only use the cooler from May to Sept.  There is no way to put heat into the system via the cooler.  

We have some lines that run 80 ft.  Some of them aren't being run all that often, so the oil cools down pretty quick.  The lines that are used constantly stay pretty warm, except when they are left sit for a while, but they warm up pretty quick.

Pour point - does that just mean that it stays fluid at that temp?  I don't think it means that it is very useable at that temp.
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« Reply #59 on: January 25, 2004, 07:26:44 pm »
Hi Ron

Yes pour point means it will flow, any colder and it is a basically a solid. There are some other ratings such as pumpability etc. that tell more about how it performs.. With a 250 gallon system the cost of synthetic becomes prohibitive. The long oil lines don't help either. About the only thing I can think of is a thermostatically heating element in the tank or a separate loop circulating the oil through a water-to-oil heat exchanger (oil cooler) running hot water from the engine or a boiler. I know there are heaters that can be used as we have used them on the big hydraulic excavators at the mines. If you are interested I can chase down some information.

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« Reply #60 on: January 26, 2004, 07:33:33 am »
Ron,
When we had a mobile home back in the 70's we use to install a "heat tape" on our water line feed from the ground up to the floor. We would have to change them every other year or so, but if you didn't use em you didn't have any water.  :(

I have seen them in hardware stores but haven't looked at them too closely. With using the tape and some pipe insulation it might be the ticket in getting some heat into the system.  The 250 gallon tank might just need a small temporary enclosure made of let's say rigid 4X8 insulation, with a small ceramic heater inside.

Just maybe the heat tape could work on the portable mills. We also had a magnetic oil pan heater for one of our vehicles .  The drawback being it's household electric. ??? I don't know if some of this stuff would come in 12 volt?  ???

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« Reply #61 on: January 26, 2004, 02:40:04 pm »
We keep getting different forcasts for today through tomorrow, but that Northeast wind says one thing to me. I have heard 2 inches today, 2 inches tonight and then 12 or more tomorrow. Today we have had 20-25 MPH winds with a temp of 17. I dont know what the chill factor is, but its cold.
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« Reply #62 on: January 26, 2004, 02:58:32 pm »
Morning temps today were about 10 and a daytime high of about 15.  Overcast, some snow and light wind.

I checked the oil temp before startup.  40 degrees.  The heater is supposed to go to 50 before it shuts off.

I hour in to sawing and the temp was 70 degress.  2 hours in and temp was about 100.  The highest it went was 120.  

I think that's pretty much how it goes most days.  Like I said, about 1/2 hour to get all the cold stuff flushed from the lines.  That drops the oil temp.  But, when you have a wind blowing, that cools the tank down.

We are running an AW 30 oil.  
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« Reply #63 on: January 26, 2004, 03:04:00 pm »
Do you have problems with condensation in that system Ron? That system really runs cold.

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« Reply #64 on: January 26, 2004, 04:40:48 pm »
I don't believe that we have a condensation problem.  We keep adding to the oil after we have a leak.  I know that doesn't mean the water has been strained out of the system.  I'll have to ask our engineer.  One of the top hydraulic guys around.  He used to trouble shoot mining all over the world.

On one of our earlier mills we only had a 40 gal tank.  We sent the oil out to be analyzed.  It came back with a reading that we had oil mixed in with our water.   :D

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« Reply #65 on: January 26, 2004, 05:00:54 pm »
high today 70, low 34, high tomorrow, 37, low 16>  I wisht it would either get hot and stay, or cold and stay.  This radical temp changes isn't helpin my cold at all.
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« Reply #66 on: January 27, 2004, 11:04:22 am »
"Blown Out" Until Spring. The Valmet forwarder makes its "last run" as snow depths increase and the weather worsens in an area of hilly terrain. We'll try here again in the spring. Lee timber harvest; 1/04.




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« Reply #67 on: January 27, 2004, 01:34:35 pm »
When the snow and ice decend on tropical southern Indiana I retreat into my toybox


Once inside the confines of the toybox I play with some of my toys.  In this case it is a 1966 Triumph TR6SR that I have been restoring over the years.


It will be ready when the snow and ice have gone and the roads are free of sand and debris  8)


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« Reply #68 on: January 27, 2004, 04:52:13 pm »
I used to race a '59 TR6 in TT Scrambles.  Boy does that bring back memories.  You had your choice of a Blue and white one or a White and Blue one if you got it new.  :)
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« Reply #69 on: January 27, 2004, 07:04:06 pm »
Now I've lived in northern Maine all my life and I'm the one that says if you can't stand the cold move south. BUT.  It's been below zero and windy  >:( for so long that I'm about ready to take a hostage.  (too cold to be a roof top sniper!)

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« Reply #70 on: January 27, 2004, 09:04:57 pm »
At our local church we have a 20-20-2 rule.  

There is no excuse for missing Sunday service unless we have 20" of snow in one storm (NOT ACCUMULATION), and/or -20 degree temps, (NOT WIND CHILL) or 2" of ice.

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« Reply #71 on: January 28, 2004, 04:09:45 am »
Got up to see it was -10 this morning. Thought to myself boy I'm glad I can sit here with the fire going and read the FF with my coffee. Check my e-mail and no mail server at work. Check the web server there and no server on line. I'm going to go over there after my truck warms up and beat that router with a baseball bat. >:(
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« Reply #72 on: January 28, 2004, 06:49:05 am »
OK, I have had enough  :'(

Depressoin is starting to kick in this morning.  I too am sitting at the computer drinking my coffe and the temp is COLD  :'(

I asked my wife what the temp was and her response was "COLD".  Turns out its 2 degrees this morning just northwest of Chicago.  

Ive been trying to do some work in the garage but its hard to get motivated when you know you cant open the garage door to at least look outside while your working.  

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Once inside the confines of the toybox I play with some of my toys.  In this case it is a 1966 Triumph TR6SR that I have been restoring over the years.
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It will be ready when the snow and ice have gone and the roads are free of sand and debris  8)
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I thought Tom, Charlie and a few others might enjoy this vintage blast from our younger days  :) (Image hidden from quote, click to view.)
Oh man does that bring back memories for me too. When I was about 11, I had the TRIUMPH pamphlet that I kept under my pillow for months. I loved them all. Closest I ever got was a BSA 441 Victor(a one lunger that used to throw me over the bars when it backfired on strartup ;D) Very nice restoration ;D ;D
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« Reply #74 on: January 28, 2004, 07:46:38 am »
I'm sitting here at the computer as it is once again too cold to work. The temperature is OK, about 18 degrees, but twenty to thirty mile/hour winds. I fed the animals inside this morning, as only one cow would venture outside to the round bale. Maybe they are smarter than I thought.
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« Reply #75 on: February 09, 2004, 12:00:16 pm »
onewithwood / tom, I am a little late getting back to this thread as I check the forum twice a day but do so from work (slow dial up at home),and just sign in as a guest, That way if any one is keeping track of who is goofing off they will need to catch me in the act.  Anyway I love the triumph,  I have a 56-58 650cc Thats black and white sitting in the garage My dad bought it new and rode it to fla. from indiana at that time on the old roads.  The last time it was plated was 1966 but me and my brothers would sneek it out in the summers and ride it on the country roads. till the mid 80's I think I reamber it being called a t110 or tiger or something like that.  It had a decal on it that said world speed record holder 650 class.  Can you guys tell from my decription what the model is or are you as confused as I am.  Thanks John                                                                                                      P.S.  oww good to see the progress on your building I havent been able to saw for a while with the weather and keeping the cows and pigs in fresh feed and water.
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Re: Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« Reply #76 on: February 09, 2004, 12:16:14 pm »
Hey Taggert I am glad you posted again.  I was wondering what became of you.
Normally the bikes that had the decal 'world speed record' were the first Bonnevilles or T120s.  The difference between the Bonnevilles and the T110s is the Bonnie has two carburretors whereas the Tiger has only one.  The decal came about when a T120 set the land speed record at the Bonneville salt flats around 1957.  The speed was somewhere around 220 mph.  The bike ran on alcohol if I remember correctly.
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Re: Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« Reply #77 on: February 09, 2004, 12:46:30 pm »
oww,  I will check the carbs and try to move some stuff so I can get a pic. After reading what you said about the alcohol I can remember my uncles telling storyes about my dad runing an asetone mixture in it , but dad was always mum on the subject as he knew we may try something I guess.  ;D ;D :o  Thanks for the quick reply.  John
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Re: Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« Reply #78 on: February 09, 2004, 02:16:34 pm »
Check this site out if you have a little time.  Great pictures and sound files too. :)
http://www.vintagebike.co.uk/index.htm
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Re: Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« Reply #79 on: February 09, 2004, 03:23:22 pm »
@ Percy

Ever been to Queen Charlotte City? I met a man who drove from Millville, NB back in the 50's on a motorbike. I forgot the model and brand. But he owns and operates the Hecate Inn, I don't recall his name.

Here is his website and you can see the bike under his porch. Apparently the place is for sale.

http://www.qcislands.net/hecatein/

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« Reply #80 on: February 09, 2004, 03:24:41 pm »
   Thanks tom   I like the sound files had the kids thinking that someone was coming up the drive on a motorcycle.  I checked the bike and it has one big carb. feeding both cyl.  I asked my brother and he said he thinks its a 1958, and just before the bonnevilles.  John
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Re: Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« Reply #81 on: February 09, 2004, 03:43:24 pm »
The Bonneville's were a road bike to us. Two carburators was a pain in the neck on the dirt track. I guess that is why we didn't see too many of them.  The first I remember was brand new one on Mr. Elder's motorcycle shop floor in 1963. It had a $1200 price tag on it, too much for us. In 1964 a University of Georgia student. who was a member of our Cherokee Cycle Club, bought. it.

The Triumph had the most distinctive sound I'd ever heard.  It was quick to rev, didn't hesitate and when the throttle was released it became almost silent until the momentum of the bike caught up with the engine.  When someone was running through the gears the engine sounded as if it were chirping.

I also rode a Jawa and the mellow sound on that website was truly the way it sounded.  You couldn't hurt the dad-blamed things, but they were strong.  I cleaned the clock of a rider on a Triumph Cub one day in the woods who thought he was going to run all over me. The cub was a 200cc and my Jawa a 125cc.  What he didn't realize was that I could over-rev my bike and run lower gears than he could.  I kept my front wheel on his back wheel and passed on a whim.  Then I would back off and race him a little bit, letting him pass me only to annoy him some more.  It was fun.
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Re: Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« Reply #82 on: February 09, 2004, 05:59:52 pm »
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The radio announcer came on this morning on my way to work and said that Connecticut was having  
Minus 100 degrees with wind chill factor!!


just a tad of topic are we??  :P

ya must have spikes in dem tires eh??  ;D
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« Reply #83 on: February 09, 2004, 06:14:04 pm »
Naw!   Just twisting it a little bit.  ;D

Stick around, you can talk about snow and ice again in minute. :D :D
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Re: Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« Reply #84 on: February 09, 2004, 06:38:33 pm »
OK that's about ONE minute

It'll be real boring fer what I gots ta say cause it was just "be ut ti full" up here today  :)31.8  "Fair en hite"

me and da Misses stood out on de ice of Eagle Lake (Plasited) ME. That's way up northern Eagle Lake ME that is, and I was almost ready ta take off me Carhart  and the DanG sun went behind a cloud and the wind gave a bit of a kick and I started to think like a groundhog and headed back inta the ice shack fer a toddy instead.  ;D  it's still February up here anyway  ;)
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Re: Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« Reply #85 on: February 09, 2004, 06:50:32 pm »
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Placing the bic lighter under the mercury thermometer don't count ;). Check the one on the north side of the shack outta the sun.  :D ;D

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Re: Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« Reply #86 on: February 10, 2004, 06:08:43 pm »
Speaking of off topic this thread is five pages long and nobody has mentioned FOOD :o ;D. Okay back to the cold, ice fishing snow and motercycles

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Re: Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« Reply #87 on: February 10, 2004, 06:15:37 pm »
Isn't this the time of year Y'all make Snow Candy?  

I'll bet an ice cream freezer would be fun too.  Just pack the churn in snow.  ;D
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« Reply #88 on: February 11, 2004, 06:29:59 am »
The maple sugar will start to run in about 4 weeks up here.

Maple syrup is considered food ain't it, so that means we got all the bases covered ?  ;D
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« Reply #89 on: February 18, 2004, 03:50:30 pm »
MICHIGAN TEMPERATURE CONVERSION CHART (Fahrenheit)

At +70º - Texans turn on the heat and unpack the thermal underwear. People in Michigan go swimming in the Lakes.

At +60º - North Carolinians start turning on the heat. People in Michigan plant gardens.

At +50º - Californians shiver uncontrollably. People in Michigan sunbathe.

At +40º - Italian and English cars won't start. People in Michigan drive with the windows down.


At +30º - Distilled water freezes. Lake Superior's water gets thicker.

At +20º - Floridians don coats, thermal underwear, gloves, and woolly hats. People in Michigan throw on a flannel shirt.

At +15º - Philadelphia landlords finally turn up the heat. People in Michigan have the last cookout before it gets cold.

At 0º - People in Miami begin freezing to death... Michiganders lick the flagpole.

At -20º - Californians evacuate to Mexico. People in Michigan get out their winter coats.

At -40º - Hollywood disintegrates. The Girl Scouts in Michigan are selling cookies door to door.

At -60º - Polar bears begin to evacuate the Artic. Michigan Boy Scouts postpone "Winter Survival" classes until it gets cold enough.

At -80º - Mt. St. Helens freezes. People in Michigan rent some videos.

At -100º - Santa Claus abandons the North Pole. Michiganders get frustrated because they can't thaw the keg.

At -297º - Microbial life no longer survives on dairy products. Cows in Michigan complain about farmers with cold hands.

At -460º - ALL atomic motion stops (absolute zero in the Kelvin scale). People in Michigan start saying, "Cold 'nuff for ya?"

At -500º - Hell freezes over. The Lions win the Super Bowl!


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Re: Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« Reply #90 on: February 19, 2004, 04:20:44 am »
Now that's funny, thanks Furby. :)

We finally broke above freezing yesterday. Our UPS driver showed up with a long sleeve shirt, no hat, jersey gloves on. Nice stiff wind probably still in the teens wind chill wize. I asked if it was getting warm out and with a big smile he said yep.  ;)
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Re: Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« Reply #91 on: February 19, 2004, 01:20:55 pm »
Yep we got above freezing yesterday AND today! WOW!
I went outside at work and didn't even bother to grab a coat.
After I saw how nice it was out, I made up a few more reasons to go back out.  ;D

They are calling for freezing rain tonight, 3/4" of ice possible. Wow, I DON'T want that!!!!!!!

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Re: Holy Cow!  How do you stand it.
« Reply #92 on: February 20, 2004, 12:14:11 am »
"I thought Tom, Charlie and a few others might enjoy this vintage blast from our younger days"  :)  :-*  :):-*  :):-* :)

Perhaps I´ll better go to bed again and have a good dream :)
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