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WM outriggers, questions
« on: July 20, 2011, 03:09:53 pm »
First of all I did a search here on the forum for WM outriggers and saw lots of threads about them.
I did read almost all of one that was four pages long, and almost all of one from 06 that was three pages long.

On my LT30HDG24 I have only five outriggers. I do use the balance system that several of the guys posted on the other threads to level up the mill.

And I have cut the top off one but not with a hack saw, and not on purpose  ;D.

Setting up on un-level ground will get you every time.

My question was how do you clean out the sawdust and debris that get in there after you have lost your top cap?
One answer was on another thread to lift the mill up until you can slide it out the bottom and clean it out, and slide it back in. Another said to unbolt it from the frame.

I'm for the lift up idea, as I don't want to spend a lot of time un-bolting and bolting up. But I'm worried that if I pick up my mill on a chain with my fork lift or backhoe front bucket, that I run the risk of tipping it over.
I suppose I can lower the head all the way down to make it have a lower center of gravity. But I was wondering what else could I do to prevent it from tipping over?

If I raise up the back two, that's all I got back there, then move the head to the tail end of the mill the hitch end will go sky high. (That's one of those don't ask me how I know, type of things). And I most likely can slide out the front three and dump them out.

But what about emptying out the back two? If I slide the mill head all the way to the hitch end and lift the tail up to drop them out, I'm really risking it tipping over.

Maybe if no one has a good idea about doing this I could back the mill up onto some blocks to get it up in the air a little, I'm not sure about this idea. I tried that on one un-level site and the mill kept falling off the blocks when we rolled over a large log on the saw table.

Ok, so let's say I have my outriggers out of the tube on the mill, and cleaned out. Someone said there is a hole on the bottom to let the stuff drain out. I wasn't aware of that. I was thinking about increasing the size of this hole. If it is directly on the bottom then what would happen if I made it larger? I guess I'd have less metal pressing on the ground. Could I bore holes through the side of the tube right at the base plate to let the sawdust out? Has anyone done that?

Also, what can I do, or what have you done to stop the sawdust from getting into the outrigger. I bought some plastic caps from WM once for replacing those that were broken, but that was a long time ago, and those replacement ones are broken or gone now.

The sawdust in the tubes is beginning to get to be a problem on a couple of them as it does effect the pin, as mentioned in other threads.

Has anyone come up with a cheap or easy method to cap them?

Thanks for your advice.

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Re: WM outriggers, questions
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2011, 06:52:04 pm »
Got an air compressor or a leaf blower, or a shop vac that you can turn into a blower? Rig a tube which you can hook to any of these that will go down the outrigger.   And stand back at least put on glasses and hat.  :) :) :)
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Re: WM outriggers, questions
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2011, 07:47:43 pm »
I probably am the one that suggested just removing 4 bolts and emptying it out.  I also once pointed out that there is a hole in the bottom of the stabilizer.

I always use the WM caps and keep a couple of extras in the tool box. Without the caps, bark and other stuff larger than sawdust will fill the stabilizers and it won't wash out of the bottom hole.   After 10 years of sawing, it's about time to empty mine again.
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Re: WM outriggers, questions
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2011, 09:28:57 pm »
Air Pressure or Water Pressure & new caps.

The hole in the bottom plate is about 1"!
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Re: WM outriggers, questions
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2011, 09:45:03 pm »
foam the top so it has a semi permanent cap.

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Re: WM outriggers, questions
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2011, 10:15:51 pm »
Get a shopvac and suck it out  ;D ;D or buy the new ones that wm came out with and never have to deal with sawdust ever again , and leveling is easy, I love mine, time is money. happy sawing  8) 8) 8) 8)
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Re: WM outriggers, questions
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2011, 10:39:13 pm »
Two of the new stabilizers are on my want list.
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Re: WM outriggers, questions
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2011, 12:53:07 am »
1) Raise the outrigger, then take a piece of ready-rod (aka allthread) and push it up through the bottom hole. Work it around, run it up and down, and eventually most of the sawdust will come out.

2) Tape a piece of 1/2" ID vinyl tubing to the hose of a shopvac (you have to be creative here), but the hose on the blower side of the vac, push the tubing down through one of the jack holes, and let 'er rip. A good wide-brimmed hat might keep the sawdust out of your collar. You might need to do this several times if the sawdust is wet.

3) Buy a handful of new tops from WM. If a particular one keeps getting lost or breaking, try holding it on with duct tape.

4) On newer mills, the two middle outriggers on the main tube have an offset near the bottom that puts the "foot" under the main tube. The vertical part of the outrigger has a wide open bottom, so no buildup problems. The outrigger itself might fit in the mounting bracket, in which case you wouldn't have to buy the whole assembly.

5) The new fully adjustable outriggers don't collect sawdust -- I replaced the two on the ends of the mill.
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Re: WM outriggers, questions
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2011, 06:33:09 am »
I keep a few spare caps on hand to replace when one is destroyed. I use air to clean and occasionally a pressure washer.  I usually put a small amount of epoxy on cap as i install. Works good for me. I installed a screw jack on hitch to assist with hookup an leveling.
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Re: WM outriggers, questions
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2011, 08:28:36 am »
Thanks for all your advice.

I'll try several of the methods mentioned and see which one I like best....

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Re: WM outriggers, questions
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2011, 08:37:58 am »
A Duct tape cap is cheap, easy to install and easy to replace but not too attractive.
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Re: WM outriggers, questions
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2011, 10:41:40 am »
This is a problem that I have wrestled with for years, while trying to sleep at night. Finally thought of this.

Dig a hole in the ground, then position the outrigger over the hole so it can slide down and out.

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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2011, 11:36:52 am »
Or use a set of "car ramps", you know, the kind some of us back yard mechanics use.

Put one in front of each of the wheels on the mill, then just drive ahead until the mill is at the top of the ramp.

Then after you're done with the back ones, back down off of the ramps, unhitch the mill from your tow vehicle and move the saw head to the rear of the mill and this will raise the front ones up so they can be removed and cleaned out.

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Re: WM outriggers, questions
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2011, 12:46:13 pm »
i have tack welded 14 gauge mild steel on 3 of mine so far.

I use an air gun with a 24 inch piece of 3/16 steel brake line as an extension you can bend as required to get the debris out.
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Re: WM outriggers, questions
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2011, 02:21:45 pm »


New caps ---- they're cheap

I use a water hose.  Just pop the top off and stick the end of the hose down in side.  Most all of it will float up over the top if you have enough water flow.
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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2011, 12:25:01 am »
I did what Mr White suggested: Car ramps.
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Re: WM outriggers, questions
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2011, 08:35:33 am »
Weld a top on each and fuhgeddaboudit.
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Re: WM outriggers, questions
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2012, 04:59:45 pm »
Well, I'm about to move the mill to a site to do a job of sawing some long logs for a timber frame addition and sheathing.
I was packing up the mill today to move it and I figured it was a good time to clean out some of my outriggers.
I opted for the lift up and lower them down and out method.

I hooked a chain onto my backhoe front bucket and lifted the hitch end up with the mill all packed up and ready to roll. The head was sitting down on the travel peg.

I lifted it up enough so that I could drop down the three front outriggers to clean them out.
Well I only cleaned out two, as the one near the hitch still has a cap on it and isn't full of sawdust.

The two near the first bed rail were missing their caps and full of sawdust.
So, I dropped them down and cleaned them out by turning them upside down and thumbing them on a plank next to my work area. I found the hole on the bottom, as mentioned, and ran the outrigger jack handle down through it to loosen up the packed sawdust.

This worked good, and guess what fell out. Three caps. I got two out of one and one out of the other.

They aren't in the greatest shape, one was split and none of them any any of the lips around the top that hold them to the top of the outrigger. But I figure I can now duck tape them to the outrigger top and hopefully they will work and keep the sawdust out.

Does anyone know where I can buy any orange duct tape?  ;D :D

We of course I'm joking as the outriggers are black. So I guess I'll have to look for some black duct tape.

I know, I know, I have a can of black spray paint. I can use regular duct tape and spray it black and no one will know it..... yea that's the ticket....

I was thinking of lifting up the rear end and doing the same thing, but with my luck I'd flip the mill over and screw up my job coming on Monday.

I'm going to wait until I have this job done and then do it while the mill is hooked to my truck. Hopefully this will stop it from flipping over and keep it somewhat stable while I lift it up do drop out the back two outriggers.

I didn't take any pictures today, but I try and do that when I clean out the back ones.

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Re: WM outriggers, questions
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2012, 08:53:37 pm »
Jim , when you have the mill hooked to the truck can you back the rear end over a ditch or something similer to be able to drop the rear out riggers down .This should eliminate the danger of tipping the mill . scouter Joe

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Re: WM outriggers, questions
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2012, 09:03:12 pm »
Another idea too Jim!

Just unbolt it and take the complete outrigger off.

Only 4 bolts and "no risk"!
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