Author Topic: A rare plant...at least for Mississippi (Read 1972 times)

Banjo picker · « **on:** June 02, 2011, 08:22:11 pm »

What could it be?

This might be as rare down here as the Lesser Mississippi Mongoose...

Banjo picker · « **Reply #1 on:** June 02, 2011, 09:12:18 pm »

It seems the transmigration of the images has cost some of the sharpness so here are a couple of other shots...

There is at least two of you out there that should know without even looking at the pictures...

Tim

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #2 on:** June 02, 2011, 09:23:16 pm »

Cool.

Jasperfield · « **Reply #3 on:** June 02, 2011, 10:57:12 pm »

Walnut? ...Salvadoran Dwarf Cucumber Tree?

WDH · « **Reply #4 on:** June 02, 2011, 11:42:57 pm »

Looks like a Sasquatch standing beside some type of Aralia

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Texas Ranger · « **Reply #5 on:** June 03, 2011, 12:22:22 am »

I tend to agree with Danny, but would like to see the stems and leaf nodes.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #6 on:** June 03, 2011, 06:38:57 am »

You guys.

thecfarm · « **Reply #7 on:** June 03, 2011, 07:05:52 am »

Butternut. Happy Birthday SwampDonkey

Texas Ranger · « **Reply #8 on:** June 03, 2011, 10:02:30 am »

I notice a birthday cake on Donks reply, does that mean another year of experience is behind him, if so, have a happy.

two tired · « **Reply #9 on:** June 03, 2011, 11:50:19 am »

if i recall right my dad callid that a shoemake , when it gets bigger it will have thorns on the bark. we would cut it to the length of a hoe and make hoehandles after it was peeled. the pith was verry soft. they are plenty of them growing in southwest louisiana.

Tom · « **Reply #10 on:** June 03, 2011, 12:21:58 pm »

It looks to me that is not sweetgum.

WDH · « **Reply #11 on:** June 03, 2011, 12:27:08 pm »

What you call shoemake is in the genus Rhus, the sumac family. I do not think that it is a sumac.

Tom, it is definitely a notsweetgum, Dangineferious notliquidambarstyracifluaia

So, as a result, it is not rare and quite common. There are notsweetgums everywhere you look around you

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two tired · « **Reply #12 on:** June 03, 2011, 12:41:18 pm »

yup it aint sweetgum

two tired · « **Reply #13 on:** June 03, 2011, 01:41:25 pm »

ok what is it you got my curiousity up

Banjo picker · « **Reply #14 on:** June 03, 2011, 04:58:00 pm »

The cfarm has done got it...Its Butternut....Juglans cinerea L.....DogeyLoner sent me 25 or 30 a while back...I had several to come up---but they turned white and died...as far as I know this is the only one that made it...

If it survives to adult hood will it polinate itself or would it have to have another one to make some babies....? Is there any thing I should spray it with to keep it healthy...I made little wire baskets out of hardware cloth and sunk them into the ground and planted the nuts inside them to keep the squirles from getting the nut....they might not have bothered it since they have probably never seen one....should I fence it off to keep the deer from eating it down....?

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #15 on:** June 03, 2011, 05:11:42 pm »

Since you have a lot more deer than we do, it might be a good idea to fence it. I know hare will eat anything green up here. Moose will destroy them.

The tree will self pollinate, but it's always a plus to have others to cross with. If Dodgy picked the nuts from a loan isolated tree that may be the problem causing most seedlings to die. If it were from a grove or in close proximity to others, which is how they grow around here mostly, they would cross for better seed. There are walnut twig borers to consider and the canker. Don't know what to recommend there. I think the best approach is keep it weeded so it's getting full light to be healthier to begin with.

To my surprise, I found one just across the road and up on the edge of a maple grove, this winter. It's about the same size as the yard tree. It's probably 300 yards from mine.

Banjo picker · « **Reply #16 on:** June 03, 2011, 05:42:56 pm »

As for the sweetgum...the reason there is some sun light getting to the little fellow is...I cut the sweetgums for crossties a couple of years ago....I love sweetgum in the right enviroment...just not in the yard...And could you please tell me what Arilia is in laymens terms...And you guys know that there has never been a Sasquatch spotted in Mississippi...

Tim

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #17 on:** June 03, 2011, 05:46:23 pm »

Here are some pictures of the tree next door I just took.

While there, I found two bunches of these under the canopy.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #18 on:** June 03, 2011, 05:50:27 pm »

Quote from: Banjo picker on June 03, 2011, 05:42:56 pm

And could you please tell me what Arilia is in laymens terms.

Spikenard , sasaparilla kind of looks like a walnut seedling, but not really.

Tom · « **Reply #19 on:** June 03, 2011, 06:35:45 pm »

Quote from: SwampDonkey on June 03, 2011, 05:46:23 pm

Here are some pictures of the tree next door I just took.

You better put that thing back, swampdonkey. It's too big. Somebody is going to miss it. $:-\$

shelbycharger400 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 03, 2011, 07:55:25 pm »

hard to tell, but is that 7 pairs of leaf sets ?
walnuts i rememberd as 10

I have yet to see a butternut here in mn.

not to hyjack your post, but splittin a ton of white and red oak. i came across a piece that looks like white oak on the sapwood with red oak in the heart wood.
also at the lake house is a rare one. 2 trees grown next to one another essentially a crotch then v off, one is an ash other is a red oak, both have the same bark !

Banjo picker · « **Reply #21 on:** June 03, 2011, 10:10:19 pm »

Quote from: shelbycharger400 on June 03, 2011, 07:55:25 pm

I have yet to see a butternut here in mn.

I had not seen one in Mississippi either ...untill I planted some....

Unless I am looking at the wrong state...there could be some in south east Mn...Tim

Dodgy Loner · « **Reply #22 on:** June 07, 2011, 11:33:06 am »

I'm glad to see that one of your little butternuts survived! I'm starting to wonder if I'll survive in Mississippi after this last month

. Thankfully we got some rain last night that cooled things off a bit. None of my butternuts survived - the squirrels got them all, and I never did get any more nuts. They came from a solitary tree, not a grove. It happens to be the only butternut tree I have ever seen growing wild. It wouldn't surprise me if your tree that did survive was the one lucky flower that was pollinated by a stray windblown speck of pollen from a distant tree

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #23 on:** June 07, 2011, 05:09:56 pm »

Butternut trees are one of those tree species that if your not looking for it, you don't know about there being a whole bunch around through the woods.

I find new ones, pole sized or bigger, all the time around woodlots in the area. They aren't as abundant as ash, but they are about.

One lady has planted quite a few around here house lot. They are saplings and seedlings. The one I planted at dad's came from a seed off my yard tree, it's growing very well and is now about 7 feet after 6 or 7 years growth. I planted one at my uncle's about 14 years ago. It might actually be flowering this year, it's over 30 feet tall now. There is a grove of them across the road from his place on reservation land. And two of three in the woods behind the field above the house. Miles of them along a terrace, mixed in with other trees, that follows the main river. Any damp gully or spring in maple forest might have some to, but not more than 10 miles out from the main river. Out in the back country, no sign of them.

Banjo picker · « **Reply #24 on:** June 07, 2011, 06:06:22 pm »

Dodgy I am glad it is doing well myself...I did not really know where to plant them...If I ever get any more I will have a better idea as to where to put them..

..This weather has been a little unkind as of late...and about a month or so early with all this heat...We didn't get the shower you got either...

SwampDonkey ...Would seeds from trees in the North have as good a chance of sprouting and growin as ones from a Southern tree in my woods...The reason I am asking is I got some different seeds from Marcel --and as best as I can tell they never came up....they were horsechesnuts....

I gave them the same protection in the hardware cloth cylinder as I did the butternuts....Tim

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #25 on:** June 07, 2011, 06:28:59 pm »

I don't think our northern "cultivar" would survive the southern climate. And with canker disease, it's not a good idea to move the nuts because the husk is sticky and can possibly harbor the fungus. I don't think I have the disease in my trees, but I can't prove it.

The canker has been identified in NB butternut by Forestry Canada. So probably the big guys at the border would seize the shipment.

shelbycharger400 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 08, 2011, 06:15:07 pm »

I think i shoud do some research if they would grow here or not.... my well is 25 ft down, then granite... to note...i have never tasted water this good

im about 1000 ft from a river here,. mostly sand and gravel . If it grows 30 ft in 14 years... that sounds like a nice shade tree/ potential material producer.

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #27 on:** June 16, 2011, 07:37:23 pm »

I've been thinning my plantations the last week and been watching out for my planted butternut and red oak. I found all my butternut trees that I could remember, and they look good, but don't grow very fast up here.

I also found this is the back yard under the drip line of one of the walnut trees. It may be my first walnut seedling. I'm not sure yet, too early to tell. I'll know when it elongates more, could also be butternut. The real test will be winter survival.

Banjo picker · « **Reply #28 on:** June 16, 2011, 10:30:08 pm »

Sounds like you hope its a little walnut...I would be pulling for a butternut. Tim

Banjo picker · « **Reply #29 on:** June 19, 2011, 10:27:15 pm »

Swampdonkey I found some pictures that I had for a while and just now stumbled on to them...The first one is the baby tree of the one in the post....

This next one is of one of the little fellows that didn't make it...

I can't get it to come through will try in a new post...Tim

Banjo picker · « **Reply #30 on:** June 19, 2011, 10:32:16 pm »

Thats not a photo mess up either...it turned just that white...I had several that did just so...It looks like your little fellow is a might shy on color as well...Is it still alive? Tim

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #31 on:** June 20, 2011, 06:03:16 am »

Tim, with my little fellow the color got washed out by the flash. It's actually red veined leaves and petiole with green tinge and reddish stem. The same color that the flower would be on a mature tree. That's how I tell my roses apart if I lose the tags.

I've never had any go white, however a lawn offers little shelter in winter and many will get bit by the cold. But in the woods there is more shelter and the seedlings seem to survive better if the hares don't eat the top off.

JimTwoSticks · « **Reply #32 on:** June 25, 2011, 03:49:04 pm »

Shelby, can't think of any specific trees I can direct you to in or near Becker but there are some along the river closer to the Cities.
They will grow in Becker however so if you can get some seed have at it.

One thing with butternut that is somewhat problematic is the extensive hybridization with Japanese walnut. Hybrids have been found throughout the range and in some places true "butternut" no longer exists and the only trees present on the site are the hybrids (juglans x bixbyi). They look quite similar and are often confused.

shelbycharger400 · « **Reply #33 on:** June 26, 2011, 10:29:46 am »

when the hybrid happens... dose it effect nut production..ect ? or is it just an asthetics aspect of it.

JimTwoSticks · « **Reply #34 on:** June 26, 2011, 12:12:03 pm »

The trees themselves look VERY similar to pure butternut but will usually have increased nut production

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #35 on:** July 02, 2011, 09:59:18 am »

Tim, looks like I'll have a another butternut tree out of that seedling.

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Author Topic: A rare plant...at least for Mississippi (Read 1972 times)