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Offline DeepWoods

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Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« on: March 13, 2011, 08:29:53 pm »
Decided to build me a logging arch about a year ago but things have taken longer than expected finishing my shop.  So after getting the ceiling and insulation in last month, I started the arch about a week ago.  I had most of the steel and parts so things went faster than I thought.

I did a lot of research on the FF and decided that I would use Logrite's ATV Arch as a good place to start.  I also liked a few things from other members that have already built one so I used their idea's as well. 

To start with I had purchaced the spindles, but they were to short so I found if I used two pieces of tubing, all fitting inside each other I would have a spindle that was stronger and longer.  I drilled a couple holes through the tubing and into the spindle a little bit so I could put a bead of weld to lock the two together.






 


 



Then I put a bead all the way around the wheel end to make things solid



After a days work, I had most of the arch steel cut and welded.




 





More to come, but I was wondering about using the roll on bedliner material to coat the arch instead of paint.  Has anyone used this material before on their truck and do you think this would work for my arch?
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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2011, 08:56:45 pm »
I like it!  Was welding a winch up for my tractor today too after way too long.  I don't know if the bedliner is a good idea.  For one,  doubt your arch will see too much abrasion other than the inside of the wheels and I have seen it trap moisture.  On the other hand It's not like it would cost too much to do and worst case is you will have to wire brush it off 5 years from now and paint so why not?
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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2011, 08:57:29 pm »
I will be closely following this arch build.  There is one in my future
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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2011, 10:35:05 pm »
The arch looks really good and the welds are impressive.  I used herculiner roll on bedliner on the inside of my bronco several years ago. It has held up well inside the cab but if I were doing an arch (and I am), I would just paint it with oil based paint.  It would be easier to grind off and less expensive to touch up if you ever decide to weld something else on the arch.  If memory serves, the metal will need to be scuffed fairly well to get good adhesion from the bedliner mixture.  I think I used a DA with 80 grit to prep the area.  Good luck and hope to see a log hanging from it soon.
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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2011, 11:01:46 pm »
Deep,

Can you give a rundown on what you plan to pull this baby around with?
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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2011, 05:46:18 am »
Very impressive welds. Looks like you have some experience with this sort of stuff. Also will keep a close eye on this one. Tonto.
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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2011, 07:19:50 am »
Looks like we have a building spree going on with members.  ;D Looks good. What are you going to pull the arch with,4 wheeler,tractor,hp size?
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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2011, 07:35:25 am »
DW,some fine beads,welding through the holes is called plug welding.Are you planning to truss that frame? Isn't that tube nice stuff to work with, more expensive than pipe but easier to form.
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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2011, 03:20:17 pm »
To answer some of the questions, I plan on pulling it with my Sportsman 500 ATV.  I have used a skidding cone in the past and it is just to hard on the atv and the ground.  I also wanted to get the logs back to the mill without the dirt in the bark. 
 
I was fortunate to have a neighbor where I grew up that took me in and taught me to weld when I was 11 years old.  Started out with a stick, and then with a wire feed.  It is something I have been greatful for all these years.  I wish I could return the favor to some young guy, but now days liability is a real issue. 

I figured that the arch would have to be sandblasted before the bedliner material was applied, so Im not sure I will pursue that thought.  I just wanted something that would be durable for years to come.

I don't know if it would be needed, but I wondered if I should weld some tubing from where the wheel spindles are, to the front of the arch and attach to the tounge.  Kinda like the large propane tank carriers have.  This would make it so it pulls from the wheels to the coupler and not put so much strain on the backbone of the arch.   






 

Here is an ajustable yoke that was used on other FF members arch that I though would be usefull in securing the front of the log from swaying





Winch mount for a Warn 3700 winch. 
 




Just about finished, trusses and tounge jack in place
 



I need to get some #4 cable for the winch, I also want to use quick connects on the cable so I can switch back and forth from the arch winch to the front winch on the atv for lifting the snowplow.  This will allow me to use the same tethered remote for both winches.
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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2011, 08:04:47 pm »
I wish I was your neighbor. I would sign a release....

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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2011, 08:50:39 pm »
I like the down-yoke. I saw an arch on the road with one and thought I should copy that idea on my arch.  what size tubing did you use?
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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2011, 06:34:39 am »
DW,those two braces are a real good idea,especially when you consider a one ton log with one wheel getting pulled over a rock or ditch.Buy trussing I mean around the outside of the inverted "U" so the weight dosen't tend to spread the legs,all thats holding now are several 2" welded tube joints.The small commercial arches use the truss system.Probibly some good old fashioned Rustolium oil base paint would do her proud.Fine work. Frank C.
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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2011, 11:03:11 am »
DW the pictures of your welds are causing me some grief. I may just have to go delete any pictures of my stuff that involves welding. :(  Super job...
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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2011, 01:02:23 pm »
Nice welding, nice pics, and nice project.  Thanks for sharing.  My welding looks terrible and the quality is worse than the looks.  I beat on it with the sledge and if it doesn't break I am good to go.
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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2011, 01:44:48 pm »
very nice fabrication work there DW! 8) 8) for the finish, one way to go that works well is after proper bare metal prep, apply a good  primer, followed by a couple coats of alkyd enamel.  The alkyd enamels wear like iron, and are the base for the paint that goes on name brand stuff, like JD, Cat or what have you.
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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2011, 02:36:14 pm »
Guys that heavy coat paint hides a lot of welder opperator error ;D ;D That is why most of my welds get painted before pics :D :D I have got to where I don't seem to be able to see good enough anymore for shiney welds ::) ::) But I never was that good even back when
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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2011, 03:51:07 pm »
Thanks for all the compliments on my project.  Just so you know, I do make some poor welds on occation, and I never have been able to weld aluminum very well.  My welding helmet has a magnifiying lens in it that helps me see what I am doing.  Eyesight aint what it used to be ya know.

kelLOGg, the tubing I used for the yoke was 2" square 1/8" walled that slides into 2 1/2" square 1/4" walled.  I am hoping that all it takes to hold the log in the yoke is just a piece of chain from one hook to the other. 

Bandmiller2, Yes, I did put some extra plates on the corner joints.  Hopefully this will be enough to keep the corners from being torn apart.





Here is a shot of the back end.  I intend to use the back chain to take the weight off the winch cable while transporting.




 


Pretty much done for now, Need to go to town for more stuff to complete the electrical for the winch
 



I have decided from all the suggestions to give it a good coat of Orange paint to match my Norwood Sawmill.  I was even able to get the cable disconnects in Orange to match. 
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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2011, 05:51:51 pm »
Nice job on that rig, I think the warn winch is a great idea, I have a hand winch on mine and a large log wakes you work to hard.What color is it going? 8)
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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2011, 08:28:01 am »
Excellent build, I think I may have to build one for myself in the near future.

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Re: Building a Logging Arch (With Pictures)
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2011, 12:56:29 pm »
Great job on the log arch build. I built mine to haul 16' x 30" but I have hauled 20' with it too. I started towing with my Sportsman 800 but now I tow with a Chevy Tracker. The little truck gets into some tight spaces.

One thing I would suggest is a mount for tools. I always carry a Peavy, a long pry bar and some cables / straps. It always seems like I have to move the log one way or another for pickup. Oh and a first aid kit.

My arch, the pic is not great but you can see the top of the peavy sticking up near the front.




Then once I finished the arch I built this so I could bring home more sticks at once.