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Re: what causes case hardening???
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2011, 06:56:17 am »
That being said, I rule against rot in the lumber. ;)

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Re: what causes case hardening???
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2011, 07:15:23 pm »
If this was in CO, is the humidity there very low for several weeks at a time in the summer?
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Re: what causes case hardening???
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2011, 08:36:04 pm »
If this was in CO, is the humidity there very low for several weeks at a time in the summer?

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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2011, 05:37:25 am »
If this was in CO, is the humidity there very low for several weeks at a time in the summer?

we had years (7?) of drought ...
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Re: what causes case hardening???
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2011, 08:16:38 pm »
There is your answer.
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Re: what causes case hardening???
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2011, 08:21:58 pm »
There is your answer.

so what happened to the interior of the wood....
not likely "rot" but just cellular break down as in self destructed???
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Re: what causes case hardening???
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2011, 08:36:25 pm »
Sounds like the core honeycombed because the shell dried too fast and the core could not reciprocate.
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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2011, 10:33:16 pm »
Honeycombed and possible collapse with surface checks opening up exposing busted fibre.

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Re: what causes case hardening???
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2011, 10:29:24 am »
What do we have here? The wood went into the attic green. There is no airflow over the wood. The temperature might hit 120'.

Later the wood was "stringy/fibrous". You could "break apart with fingernails".

Honeycombed wood indicates casehardening. Honeycombed wood is hard inside. I think that rot is indicated.

Suppose that 120° and no air, shell dried the wood just enough to trap the water inside. Then suppose microbial or fungus eating away at the wood. It might explain the weak fibers.

Just my guess.

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« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2011, 10:34:42 am »
BTW I have links to the Dry Kiln Operator's Manual and to Drying Hardwood Lumber in a sticky at the top, labeled kiln operation.

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« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2011, 11:00:40 am »
Certainly possible, I would rule out dry rot though. That usually is a result of intermittent water flow from a leaky roof or around windows and such. Even damp manure in a barn aloud to build up against the walls in a barn due to a little laziness of the shoveler. ;) :D

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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2011, 10:27:31 pm »
Almost feels like the logs were just starting to go punkey when they were then sawed and put up to dry.
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Re: what causes case hardening???
« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2011, 11:46:26 pm »
curious if the attic was vented?

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« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2011, 11:51:19 pm »
curious if the attic was vented?

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Re: what causes case hardening???
« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2011, 11:07:47 am »
As has been mentioned casehardening is created in all forming of drying, in airdrying or kiln drying.  I see no mention of the species nor what the condition of the lumber was in initially.  Since casehardening is present in all forms of drying , it is not an indication of honeycomb.
The test results for honeycomb is very sensitive to how thick the prongs are cut.  The test can indicate either casehardening or reverse cashardening coming from the same piece of lumber depending on how the prongs were cut.
Without samples or clear photos it is hard to determine if it is rot or not.

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Re: what causes case hardening???
« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2011, 11:39:45 am »
Casehardening is created in ALMOST all forms of drying. Vacuum drying can be the exception.  ;D

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« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2011, 12:01:31 pm »
sorry, almost correct :-\

 


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