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Re: Idenifying affected Ash trees?
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2011, 10:39:48 pm »
They will leave "galleries" under the bark. The d hole is the exit hole and they don't mark the tree after emerging.

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Re: Idenifying affected Ash trees?
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2011, 11:15:34 pm »
I was surprised to see that I transported an EAB when I moved here. It was about an 85 mile move. I did not transport any wood across quarantined zones. But I did move a load of common brick, the kind with eight holes in them...and an EAB crawled from one of those openings! I guess they don't travel in just ash.

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Re: Idenifying affected Ash trees?
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2011, 07:21:18 am »
There are also similar beetles that will make engravings under the bark. I see those patterns on most any dead hardwood with the bark falling off. Many in the buprestidae group, they will leave an oval exit hole and the grubs are flat-headed.

Pre-commercial thinning pays off. :)

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Re: Idenifying affected Ash trees?
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2011, 09:51:33 am »
Guess I'm getting paranoid about the EAB, not that I could do much about it. The county just a few miles south of our Tree Farm is under EAB quarantine. Ash are actually a rare tree in our neck of the woods, may have to wait until leaf-out to ID what scored the bark, the trail very similar to the inside bark galleries. Thanks for the photo.

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Re: Idenifying affected Ash trees?
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2011, 09:59:40 am »
Rare puts things on your side. If you don't have a high population of Ash, then you won't have a high population of EAB. They may not find you for quite some time.  You see the same thing here still today with  Elm Trees. Isolated elm trees that are still surviving dutch elm. I was saddened this year to see two such trees in the U.P., huge trees out in the middle of a section field that I have admired for years, finally succumb. They were not completely dead this last summer, but it looked like over 50% of the crown was dead on both of them. I would not be surprised if they are completed dead this spring.
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Re: Idenifying affected Ash trees?
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2011, 02:09:23 pm »
EAB is all over N Mich.  I've bought 100" firewood from areas of Jo-Burg, Good Hart, Vanderbilt and others that had the D shaped exit holes.  I haven't seen any in my neighborhood but last I heard it had been trapped in every township in Cheboygan Co.  :(
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Re: Idenifying affected Ash trees?
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2011, 07:22:41 am »
There was a story on the local news about a town in Iowa that was going to cut down a 100 or so ash trees because of EAB's. No they don't have any yet but were taking preemptive measures because it was coming our way.  ::)
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Re: Idenifying affected Ash trees?
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2011, 07:33:42 am »
Basically a double whammy for the ash, they're gonna get it (cut or bugs) one way or another. We have a lot of ash around here, it's not as common as balsam fir and aspen numbers wise, but it's everywhere.  White ash is most anywhere that settled. If we go to Deersdale thinning the only ash is black ash near wetlands.  But then down in Napadogan and into the settlement of Williamsburgh you pick up white ash again. White ash doesn't like that dry glacial sand.

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Re: Idenifying affected Ash trees?
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2011, 07:46:34 am »
I guess I better get me a mill sooner than later! Sad to here it degrades fast was hoping as long as it was still standing with the sucker's trying to branch out i still had time. My 4o across the rd is prob 50% ash some of which would take two ta get your arm.s around. Sitting in the deer wood.s this past season was a eye and ear opener the woodpeckers were everywere. iosco county annual bird count even gave mention to the no. of woodpeckers. Some trees look orange from a distance from the bird.s debarking the outer layer leaving the ground littered below it with bark.Sad to see this happen to these magnificent trees.

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Re: Idenifying affected Ash trees?
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2011, 08:23:15 am »
 I was down in Calhoon county yesterday to look at a job and noticed dead ash on the property. I stopped and checked it out, didn't see any D shaped holes, just round. Peeled back the bark and it was just like the picture Jeff posted.

 Went through Harrison on the way home and didn't see any wanted posters, so Jeff must be behaving. The sheriff did follow me all the way out of town though.......

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Re: Idenifying affected Ash trees?
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2011, 08:37:22 pm »
Any estimates of when the bug is going to arrive in Vermont? The maps show it to the north in Quebec and the west in NY. 

How fast does it move on its own? Is is more likely to hitchhike on firewood or some such?

I sent a load of nice ash to the mill this year. In another couple of years, I'll have a couple of more loads, assuming I can get a couple of more years of growth. Plus lots of young ash that I don't expect to make it.

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Re: Idenifying affected Ash trees?
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2011, 05:01:00 pm »
I can't remember how fast it moves on it's own. My bet is it will get here much quicker because some idiot figures the firewood movement rules are for someone else, and decides to bring his own firewood here for his vacation home or hunting camp.

I wouldn't be surprised if ALB is already here in Southern Vermont, though I haven't heard any reports of it. It was in Worcester, Mass for so many years before they knew they had it that that you just know someone decided to cut up that dying Maple in their back yard for firewood and decided to bring some up to their place in Vermont. At least that might be understandable... no one was publicizing a problem for years after it first started.

I read where there was a sort of dual wave spreading out of MI into Canada. One was the slow, steady creep to be expected from the bugs' natural movement. The other was pockets of infestation showing up well ahead of that first wave front. Those pockets were traced to campgrounds where people were bringing their own firewood. Of course, then each of those pockets started their own slow natural spread, as well as becoming a source of contaminated firewood for others to transport.
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Re: Idenifying affected Ash trees?
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2011, 05:39:02 pm »
I wrote into the radio station one morning and basically told them the CFIA was doing next to nothing to stop it's spread since it was found in Montreal area already. Oh they said it's quarantined. Well that's just a statement saying we hope everyone will keep their ash wood home. Which is a useless pr stance. I said they needed to do random checks. Word of mouth, and a one time word that is not constantly iterated on the airwaves, will achieve nothing. I've heard about EAB on radio only the once, so we are immune now I guess. ::)

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Re: Idenifying affected Ash trees?
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2011, 05:56:27 pm »
We've got posters up everywhere you look around here about not moving firewood (not specific just to EAB). Every campground I've been to hands you a flyer when you check in. Numerous workshops all over the state on the problem and how to identify various pests.

Though I doubt we're doing much in the way of spot checks either, and anyone can drive into a campground and claim the firewood in the back of their pickup is "local".

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Re: Idenifying affected Ash trees?
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2011, 08:54:09 am »
 I'm cutting down my ash trees today. They had leaves last year, but they are infected. The mill I am taking it to is about 8 mils south as the EAB flies, and they lost the trees on their property last year.

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Re: Idenifying affected Ash trees?
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2011, 11:07:24 am »
Geez... you guys got any of them left out there in MI?
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