Author Topic: Chinese copies (Read 5124 times)

freqeist1 · « **on:** January 28, 2011, 06:20:16 pm »

Im a complete newbie so what good, whats bad about them (other than the obvious ones with no brake)

Mooseherder · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2011, 06:28:05 pm »

ely · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2011, 06:31:02 pm »

i got me some chinesse knock off FF jackets on CL the other day.... not really warm and they do kinda itch but hey cheep has its drawbacks.

only kidding boss.

Jeff · « **Reply #3 on:** January 28, 2011, 06:32:54 pm »

I'm to much of an American to ever want one let alone buy one.

knockoff chainsaw that is.

chucker · « **Reply #4 on:** January 28, 2011, 07:22:54 pm »

Quote from: Jeff on January 28, 2011, 06:32:54 pm

I'm to much of an American to ever want one let alone buy one.

knockoff chainsaw that is.

even if you buy one or all of the top 3 saw brand names, there not " AMERICAN MADE " .... what happened to this country that we cant even make a simple mans working tool like a chainsaw? i would buy all new saws if they were made here at home!

Al_Smith · « **Reply #5 on:** January 28, 2011, 07:26:00 pm »

Oh I can't remember the users name but somone has been evangelising those darned things on the net and wondering why he gets such negative comments about them .

I told him to stump for Mexican made junk and see if he fares any better .

Ironwood · « **Reply #6 on:** January 28, 2011, 07:27:40 pm »

No offense, but it isnt even worth the time to read this thread.

Ironwood

Al_Smith · « **Reply #7 on:** January 28, 2011, 07:27:58 pm »

Some of the Stihls are made in Virginia Beach if that's any consolation .

Jeff · « **Reply #8 on:** January 28, 2011, 08:34:32 pm »

Did I say they were American Made? I said I was an American. You should know my stand about chinese knock offs of sponsor products. It does not stop at sponsors products.. Did you really think I needed that pointed out to me?

chucker · « **Reply #9 on:** January 28, 2011, 08:50:40 pm »

?? just giveing you heck jeff! theres nothing we can buy here at home thats made here it seems? maybe someday when we lock our borders and do for ourselves before others for a change!!

Cut4fun · « **Reply #10 on:** January 28, 2011, 09:53:47 pm »

I think it was the MS361 and smaller has been made in VA Beach for the US market.

Speak-en of Mex, I have had a couple of Mexican made McCulloch's come through the bench. Wow, just wow.

tjdub · « **Reply #11 on:** January 28, 2011, 10:30:23 pm »

Quote from: Al_Smith on January 28, 2011, 07:27:58 pm

Some of the Stihls are made in Virginia Beach if that's any consolation .

And the bigger saws are still made in Germany (just like most John Deere tractors) if that's any consolation

sablatnic · « **Reply #12 on:** January 29, 2011, 04:09:12 am »

A friend came the other day, with a brush cutter, that he had bought at an auction and used a few times. Now it wouldn't start, could I repair it, please.
I sure could, but he would have to bring the parts for, as I didn't know what make it was, or where to get the parts.
No decals, numbers or anything, but after he had left, taking the brush cutter with him, I found its birth place on the net. Take a look around. They even sell a "Husqvarna 137 copy"!
http://zjgreen.en.alibaba.com/

Al_Smith · « **Reply #13 on:** January 29, 2011, 05:01:37 am »

Quote from: tjdub on January 28, 2011, 10:30:23 pm

Quote from: Al_Smith on January 28, 2011, 07:27:58 pm
Some of the Stihls are made in Virginia Beach if that's any consolation .

And the bigger saws are still made in Germany (just like most John Deere tractors) if that's any consolation

-- --lest we not forget Mexican Lincolns and Japanese Caterpilars

SwampDonkey · « **Reply #14 on:** January 29, 2011, 07:08:39 am »

Our FS550 brush saws are German, but well made for sure. No Chinese outfit will ever sell anything close. That being said, we have to get our brush cutter blades from Sweden, every brand of blade made is out of Sweden. Well, not all, but the good ones and there is a lot of brands. The saw shop every once in awhile get cheap blades in, and I'm thinking Japanese, and they aren't worth snot. They get wood dull before you burn out a tank. You put on a Sthil blade and you can cut for 2 days if you don't hit something that isn't wood. I told the shop last fall don't ever try push those crap blades on me again. The worker looses both ways, cheep means going through blades quicker, dulls quick, thus means more time sharpening while you should be cutting.

weimedog · « **Reply #15 on:** January 29, 2011, 07:41:20 am »

Take all your aftermarket 365/372 parts and put them together and you will have:

http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/376534199-365-chain-saw-24-husqvarna-Guide-Bar-65-1cc-4-6hp-3-4kw-FREE-SHIPPING--wholesalers.html

Or you have this with Stihl

http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/369821326-72CC-stihl-gasoline-chainsaw-STIHL-MS380-3-6KW-24-Guide-Bar-FREE-SHIPPING-Wholesale-Price-Chainsaw-wholesalers.html

of course you would think there are legal complications using the brand names as they are on these saws and boxes right?

oldaxman · « **Reply #16 on:** January 29, 2011, 10:07:14 am »

Forign saws is one of my many pet peaves.When I was a young man macs and even homelittes were good saws. Then they decided to make cheap saws for a fast buck I guess and german saws took over.Its not like germany is a 3rd world nation with cheap labor.Ill never understand this american mentality of make it cheap, make it fast, take the money and run. Its why we are getting are arses kicked by rest of the world.One of the reasons anyway.

weimedog · « **Reply #17 on:** January 29, 2011, 10:16:33 am »

watch that old 1980's Micheal Douglas movie "wall street". Remember when the corporate raiders were all the rage? Regan era moving money to make like we have an economy? When we destroyed our machine tool infrastructure. The the Clinton years selling vapor ware to the US public in the form of the Dot. Com bubble then crash around the late 1990's and early 2000 when Bush had that recession to deal with. All the while letting the next generation technology flood out our doors to places who now are competing with us (Find our what "ARPA" was if you want a clue)..then the Housing Bubble started in the mid 1990's and crashed last two years...there is a common denominator in all this.

SPIKER · « **Reply #18 on:** January 29, 2011, 11:01:42 am »

Heck if you buy the china stuff and keep fixing all the small flaws by re-building & repairing it eventually most of it will be made in USA

Otherwise not a lot is being made here anymore other than a few sorted large machinery low production items. USA small business is great at making one and two things and changing to making one or two different sized ones. custom manufactures are the best way to proceed, (WM) is a good example of this. Building lower production machine that has a moderate profitability that is rather large and hard to move around the world. the CHINA is centered around being able to build thousands of items a day/week and shipping container full around the world. A lot of this manufacturing is moving away form china now due to higher shipping rates and fact that the item it's self is low profit margin and takes up a lot of space in a shipping container. Local company left the county seat 15 years ago (I worked to help move a lot of its equipment) this time last year they refurbished a local closed walmart and moved back in due to costs. They make things like kids plastic rocking horses where you can get maybe 1000 in a container full so shipping that container costs 4 grand so every one shipping alone would add 4 bucks cost. now manufacturing rates & labor rates are all up in china so these can be made in USA for 6 bucks or made in china for 5.90 they both still have to be assembled here so that cost is a wash. With the natural gas costs way down, labor rates in USA dropping and shipping costs going up it was in the long run better to control the manufacturing of the product and build it here for in long run less.
There is still probably no way to move the manufacture of a billion widgets that are built mostly automatically over there back. just the way things are...
Mark

weimedog · « **Reply #19 on:** January 29, 2011, 12:55:03 pm »

The reason folks get upset is somewhere in their gut they know they got a raw deal. It took 100 years to accomplish but we got here thanks to a political philosophy. A lot of our core manufacturing was artificially made too expensive from a variety of decisions from a variety of sources. Don't have time to write a history lesson but there is and has been a common denominator to most of these issue. I lived a part of it and now look back and I'm amazed how easy it was to tear apart the finest manufacturing infrastructure in the world. Be that as is may, renewal isn't always a bad thing. I have nothing against the hard working folks over in China and the fact is they have the same access to the leading edge manufacturing technology we have..and they bought it for pennys on the dollar in many cases. In addition to that the interest on the national debt paid to china just about covers the cost of their military. That's before you figure on how much of their manufacturing capability was first given for penny's on the dollar and now earned thru the sales channels offered by Walmart and so many of the other retail outlets through out the world. I certainly can't blame them for taking advantage of a good thing! But I do blame the attitude and ignorance of the typical politician and conventional business bean counter mentality educated here at out finest institutions that first allowed, then encouraged, and now justifies the environment built here over time to support that technology transfer and now economic transfer of wealth. I'm refuse to get into this here...this is a place to happy thoughts and feeling! NOT politics please.

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