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Offline SwampDonkey

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Re: A crooked logger
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2010, 06:14:25 am »
Yes a survey with proper marking is a must. BUT, the crook will often times remove the marked trees in his operation. And that happens a lot. We had to survey one of our woodlots twice and remark on second growth because every line tree was cut.  ::)

Pre-commercial thinning pays off. :)

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Re: A crooked logger
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2010, 07:09:05 am »
Ditto! I will not prepare and harvest a timber sale unless the landowner has  a registered survey and can show me their property corners and boundarys.

That must really simplify your job :D

I would say all of that is unnecessary if adjoining landowners agree on the boundries. Here if there is an old boundry, i.e. and old fence line or corner posts, that is considered an appropriate boundry to go by. Even if one landowner doesn't agree, and even if it isn't actually the correct line, it is up to the land owner who disputes the line to obtain the survey and prove the old line is not correct.

Also, here where I live trespass laws are really geared to protect the landowner. You don't need your property fenced or even posted, it is totally up to anyone tramping around int he woods to know where they are at all times and whose land they are on, if your on someone elses land it is totally your fault, the landowner has no responsibilities in regard to making sure there boundries are marked or posted.


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Re: A crooked logger
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2010, 11:51:19 am »
Especially when the adjoining landowner's don't agree on the property line. ;)

We have landowner's that don't even know or talk to one another, many absentee landowners owners, changing landownerships, land fragmentations,etc. and my years of experience as an expert witness in  timber trespass cases, indicates that it is the best practice to know the "legal" boundarys before any timber is marked and cut.

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Re: A crooked logger
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2010, 08:30:02 pm »
Let me understand this you see the stumps and the cut fence and the stolen logs in a pile:o. I think thanksgiving day I would have rolled in there and recovered my stolen property. Isn't possesion like 4/5 of the law. Let them come to me and argue that the logs I now have are theres. Heres the stumps on my property and heres my logs. Just because you don't see and visit every bit of your land regularly doesn't mean you don't care for it or not own it. Since the logs don't have serial numbers and you now have them in your possesion the burden to prove they arn't yours falls on someone else.

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Re: A crooked logger
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2010, 10:16:40 pm »
for the ones that do steal and give the rest of us a bad name, i think they should have their sack nailed to a stump but that would be a waste of a good stump.  pc
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Re: A crooked logger
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2010, 07:21:58 am »
When I lived on a farm in Alberta in the 70's, my friend had his parent's farm that he only went to on weekends & summer holidays.

Some guys took down 2 very large rare fir trees in front of the house.
They cut off only the 2 tops for xmass trees!
His neighbour called it in & the 2 were caught on the scene & charged with theft, had their truck & equipement seized.
Cost those 2 thiefs a criminal record & a few 10's of thousands in lost truck & equipment. 

I don't know if nowadays it would be the same.
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