Bulk 2 cycle chainsaw oil

[ahlkey]

Anyone use some of the larger quart bottles likes Pennzoil® 2-Cycle Engine Oil Premium Mix in your saws instead of the chainsaw manufacturer's?  It seems like the price overall on a case is nearly 50% less expensive.  Likewise, doesn't seem that anything is availabe in bulk for bar chain oil either?.  Have been buying from local farm supply stores in large 5 gallon sizes but would be nice to buy in larger quanities if the price was discounted?

[ladylake]

 Just make sure it's for air cooled engines.   Steve

[okie]

I have been for years now. I use a 40:1 mix though, always have even though the husky specs call for 50:1. I figure the only cylinder lube the saw is getting is from the 2 stroke oil and as I'm not fouling plugs the 40:1 works well and provides a bit more lubrication. Just my $.02

[terrifictimbersllc]

Anybody know what's the difference between 2 cycle outboard motor (boat) oil and 2 cycle chainsaw oil?

[isawlogs]

 Outboard motor is water cooled , so I am thinking that maybe it run a tad bit cooler then a saw that is air colled.. I could be wrong on this .

[trapper]

isawlogs
I think you are right from things I have read.
Marv

[John Mc]

Outboard motor is water cooled , so I am thinking that maybe it run a tad bit cooler then a saw that is air colled.. I could be wrong on this .

You are correct. A water-cooled outboard engine runs significantly cooler than an air-cooled chainsaw engine. The specs for the two mix oils are different. If you run outboard engine oil in your chainsaw, you are risking problems.

John Mc

[Magicman]

I was told to always run blue oil in air cooled engines, and red oil in boats.  Dat's simple enough.

[Bill Gaiche]

Amsoil has a two cycle oil for chain saws. Its synthetic and is 100 to 1. Mixes 1.3 oz. per gallon. One quart is $10.00. I am using it @ 2.0 oz. per gallon. Time will tell about its quality. bg

[Bill Gaiche]

This is what i am using.bg

AMSOIL Saber™ Professional (ATP) is formulated with exclusive AMSOIL synthetic base oils and premium additives. Designed for lean mix ratios in two-cycle motors, Saber 2-Cycle Oil has excellent lubricity and cleanliness properties to control friction and help prevent wear, plug fouling, ring sticking and exhaust port blocking. Saber 2-Cycle Oils also feature an anti-rust formulation to counteract the damp environments often encountered in two-cycle applications. AMSOIL Synthetic 100:1 2-Cycle Oils have been protecting and providing improved performance in two-cycle motors since 1973. ISO-L-EGD, JASO FD, API TC

See Pricing Information or Place an OrderPackage sizes include:

1.5-oz Pillow Pack
1.5-oz. Pillow Packs (case of 48)
3.5-oz. Bottle
3.5-oz. Bottles (case of 12)
8-oz. Bottle
8-oz. Bottles (case of 12)
1-Quart Bottle
1-Quart Bottles (case of 12)
30-Gallon Drum
55-Gallon Drum

[okie]

Where do you buy the amsoil around here Bill? I really can't wrap my head around mixing 100:1, I guess it's super slick stuff 

[Bill Gaiche]

I bought it from some guy in Claremore. He has a little deal out of his house. You can do a search on there web site and find it. bg

[Bill Gaiche]

Oakie, try this.bg

 ALVIN W. PAYNE
CLAREMORE
(918)704-5297
ajpmotorsports@yahoo.com
www.ajpmotorsports3.com

[kenskip1]

Has anyone ever given this brand a try? Members on another forum swear buy this brand, Ken

http://www.baileysonline.com/itemdetail.asp?item=18041+CS&catID=9930

[sharkey]

Ive been using the Baileys traditional two stroke engine oil.  I think its made by Castrol.  We buy it in 5 gallon pails and mix it 32:1.  Have used it for the last couple years and havent had any problems.   

[Al_Smith]

I suppose you could save some money buying it by the 5 gallon bucket full .In addtion when you use it all up you have a nice bucket to use .

For me who uses it 2 gallons of fuel at a time it's just as easy to get the little "6 packs " from Stihl or TSC depending on where I'm at when I need oil .Now I've got a 5 gallon bucket full of those little bottles that I've saved . Why ,I have no idea .

[RSteiner]

I suppose you could save some money buying it by the 5 gallon bucket full .In addtion when you use it all up you have a nice bucket to use .

For me who uses it 2 gallons of fuel at a time it's just as easy to get the little "6 packs " from Stihl or TSC depending on where I'm at when I need oil .Now I've got a 5 gallon bucket full of those little bottles that I've saved . Why ,I have no idea .

I am glad I saved a bunch of the 1 gallon mix bottles .

One day I paid a little more attention to the prices for a 6 pack of 1 gallon mix bottles and the price for the 2 gallon mix bottles.  I discovered that I got twice the oil for 50% more money buying the 2 gallon mix bottles.     

So now I buy the 5 gallon mix bottles and refill the one gallon bottles I saved.  I made a mark on the container where the fill line was for the one gallon container so I get the same amount of oil, some times a drop or two more. 

It's just my way of being cheap. 

Randy

[John Mc]

I am glad I saved a bunch of the 1 gallon mix bottles .

[snip]

I made a mark on the container where the fill line was for the one gallon container so I get the same amount of oil, some times a drop or two more.

I've been debating doing the same thing. All of my old mix bottles are so opaque that  can't see the level inside when I'm refilling them...  I just might have to go to some sort of measuring cup. Since I can't get non-ethanol gas these days (most of my sources say that they are on their lasts loads of ethanol-free gas), I'm going to be making an effort to buy and mix smaller quantities. I just don't want to keep that E10 gas lying around if I can help it.

[ahlkey]

Thanks for all the responses.  I just find it expensive to buy those six packs of 2.6 oz bottles at about $1 dollar each when you can buy in bulk by the gallon.  For example right now I can buy quart bottles by the case from a local supplier that are less than $2 dollars per quart (32 ounces) for 2 cycle oil.  Seems like a no-brainer but just want to be sure that there is no disadvantage or something special in those small chainsaw bottles?.  Have to think that the price has more to do with packaging & marketing of those small bottles than the oil itself.

[01crewcab]

Re: Bar oil. When I first started falling on the Olympic Peninsula back in the 70's a lot of the bigger bushler outfits use to buy bar oil in 55gal drums. So it was available at one time. I'm guessing Madsen's still sells it that way, but shipping would be pricy.

[John Mc]

...Seems like a no-brainer but just want to be sure that there is no disadvantage or something special in those small chainsaw bottles?.  Have to think that the price has more to do with packaging & marketing of those small bottles than the oil itself.

As long as you are buying a good chainsaw mix oil (one made for air-cooled engines) not an oil designed for outboard engines or other water-cooled 2-cycle engines. The stuff designed for water-cooled engines won't take the heat of a chainsaw engine.

[Randy88]

According to my oil man two stroke oil is basically unregulated as far as testing for say military specifactions or most any other testing, most engine manufacturers will recommend a certain brand or quality of oil for their engines, four stroke oil is tested and regulated, the numbers on the bottles say its good and meets a certain criteria, thats stamped on the bottle, say a military spec or an API Service of say SM/SL or CF/SM or somthing like that, if you have a four stroke engine on your 4 wheeler or motorcycle, car or pickup then the owners manual will have what spec of oil is required for each engine, its a testing standard used to make sure the oil is good enough to not cause engine problems or engine failures, the newer the engines the higher the standards are required for the oil you put in the vehicle, now theres gas and also diesel grades of oils and also the specifacations for each, gas engine oils are not good enough to run in diesel engines without causing damage to them.   

Now two stroke oils have no certifications or compliance they need to meet so its up to the engine manufacturer to have thier own set of standards for their two cycle engines, now stihl and dolmar and echo and all the rest don't manufacture the two stroke oils but they each put out the specs their engines require and the oil companies make it to each engine manufacturers specifacions and when you go into a stihl dealer and buy the orange stihl two stoke oil from them then that formulation is for all stihl engines and won't cause harm or damage to thier engines.     Now is there a lot of difference between all the oils, some claim theres a difference between air cooled and water cooled, yes partly right, the basic difference is the engines manufacurers requirement that their engine went through and what it needed to perform right, the answer of air cooled engines run hotter is true but it still gets down to the fact not all two stroke engines are the same.    A mercury outboard and a johnson will both claim thier engines take a different oil specifacation than the other as will a polaris four wheeler thats two stroke and a stihl chainsaw will also be different, now is it a big deal, probably not, I've mixed and matched oils over the years and my stuffs still runs but if your buying new and you want warrenty and theres a problem the first thing they'll ask is what kind of oil did you use, just like the four stroke motors will for warrenty purposes to make sure you adhered to thier engine requirements, as they say been there done that and learned a long time ago until its off warrenty just use whats recommended and after the warrentys off, well then your on your own anyway and use whatever you want to.   When you go to the fleet store and get a gallon of oil mix, thier formula is basically an average of the needs across the largest spectum of two stroke engines out there or its a left over in a batch some engine manufacturer like stihl or johnson or whoever didn't take the full quantity of and they just bottled it for whoever else instead.   

I demoed a dolmar saw and the dealer gave me a few bottles of synthitic oil mix and told me to run that in the dolmar saw instead of the stihl mix I'd been using in all my stihl saws for years.   Is there a big difference, all my dealer told me was the engine manufacuturer thinks so and so thats what I used in that saw.    I'm not saying you need to adhere to it by any means but most people don't even know that theres not any independant testing done on two stroke oils in the first place, all the tc3 or whatever pennzoil uses is an addative and also a selling point thats its supposed to be better, is it, who knows its only thier claim and not the goverenments or militarys so whos to argue one way or another.    Its just some information that was passed onto me over the years and use it however you'd like.

[oldsaw]

I still have a stash of Mobil 2T in quarts.  When that is gone, I'll have to find something else in quarts, the little bottles are too expensive.

I really like the squeeze bottles with the cup on top to measure.  May have to figure out a quick way to refill them because the "no mess" with fairly accurate measurement is really nice.  Have a bottle from Stihl like that, and one from Poulan or someone else like that.  Coolest thing I've seen for mix oil.