Woods Ported Stihl 064:VIDEO

[MMFaller39]

Here it is, my woods ported 064/066 cutting 4' oak. No audio, just some music.



"http://www.youtube.com/v/-sLrNXhzyxE&hl=en_US&fs=1?color1=0x2b405b&color2=0x6b8ab6

[Rocky_J]

I see you're in Pennsyltucky, did Dan Henry build that for you? I have a couple saws he built for me about 7-8 years ago, still running strong.

[MMFaller39]

I see you're in Pennsyltucky, did Dan Henry build that for you? I have a couple saws he built for me about 7-8 years ago, still running strong.

No, I don't even know who Dan Henry is. I built the saw myself, no milling work either.

[nmurph]

sorry dude, but i would MUCH prefer to hear the engine. that unintelligiable, throat-screaming, music is just racket.....and that is from someone who grew up with Led Zep, Kiss, Def Leppard, AC/DC and many others in the 60's, 70's and 80's. it did have a nice guitar riff, but the guy really needs some anger management sessions. you will understand one day......and yes, i probably would have thought the same thing that you are now thinking when i was your age.....enjoy your youth......i'm enjoying mine still.

oh yeah, the saw.....i just picked up an 064 and am in the process of cleaning it up. it has 155 psi and no cracks though someone had fabricated a handle from 3/16" tube steel. if i decide to keep it, it will get the same treatment as yours.

[Al_Smith]

sorry dude, but i would MUCH prefer to hear the engine. that unintelligiable, throat-screaming, music is just racket  enjoying mine still.

 

Well what he didn't tell you but I will is the fact his sound went out on his camera .I've seen the clip before .

[MMFaller39]

sorry dude, but i would MUCH prefer to hear the engine. that unintelligiable, throat-screaming, music is just racket  enjoying mine still.

 

Well what he didn't tell you but I will is the fact his sound went out on his camera .I've seen the clip before .

Thanks Al, yes my saws is so loud it ruined my camera, really it doesn't work at all now.

[Ed]

That there is my beef with most modded saws. The excessive volume level isn't worth the performance gain.
Hearing aids ain't all there cracked up to be, ask someone that wears them.

I ran my factory dp 046 against a modded 2186 J-red a while back....while I didn't flat out beat him, it was so close it wasn't funny. Best part was I couldn't hear my saw, the Dang J-red was so loud I had to go totally by "feel" in the cut. Yes, I had hearing protection.
End result, the J-red found a new home, I muffler modded a new 460 to match my old 046 for the former J-red owner.

Ed

[Al_Smith]

  Well I suppose noise levels are relative .Those that think a gutted muffler on a souped up saw is loud should spend some time behind an old Mac or Homelite for a while .

Several things need to be kept in mind. There is no such thing as a quiet fast saw and fast saws drink fuel . Kind of hard to have them any orther way .

[Rocky_J]

Not all loud saws are fast, but all fast saws are loud. 

[MMFaller39]

#1: That's what earplugs are for
#2: The saw is fast
#3: The saw has got balls

[Magicman]

And that plunge cut indicated that it was a hollow log.

[MMFaller39]

And that plunge cut indicated that it was a hollow log.

I hate to burst your bubble but it isn't. The tree was a crescent shape, and if the log was hollow you would've saw a bunch of rotten crap coming out.

[Magicman]

 

Here it is, my woods ported 064/066 cutting 4' oak.

It wasn't my bubble.  Your OP stated that you were "cutting 4' oak".   It's obvious on the plunge cut that you ran out of tree, which means that it wasn't 4', as your OP indicated, where you were sawing .

if the log was hollow you would've saw a bunch of rotten crap coming out.  

Not necessarily so.

I wasn't trying to be argumentative,  just commenting on the sudden movement on your plunge cut.  Had it been a solid 4' log, that movement would not have occurred.

[MMFaller39]

Here it is, my woods ported 064/066 cutting 4' oak.

It wasn't my bubble.  Your OP stated that you were "cutting 4' oak".   It's obvious on the plunge cut that you ran out of tree, which means that it wasn't 4', as your OP indicated, where you were sawing .

if the log was hollow you would've saw a bunch of rotten crap coming out.  

Not necessarily so.

I wasn't trying to be argumentative,  just commenting on the sudden movement on your plunge cut.  Had it been a solid 4' log, that movement would not have occurred.

It's cool man, the tree was 4' on the stump, but it was lacking wood in the back. When I made this video my intentions weren't to try and make my saw "look" faster then it is. I've taken the saw apart twice since I made the vid doing more work to it each time. I built the special just for when I cut bigger timber, the saw wasn't made at all to run a bar under 30", slap a 32"er on it and it rips like nobodies business.

[Magicman]

 

[MMFaller39]

My next saw will make this one look stupid, and it'll be sporting a custom 42" light bar. 

[Magicman]

Is that used for competition or what?  Fallers here don't want to work that fast.

[Rocky_J]

I have 8 ported saws ranging in size from the Husky 346xp to a Stihl MS880. I think my 395xp is my favorite but the 372's and 346's get the most use.

[MMFaller39]

Is that used for competition or what?  Fallers here don't want to work that fast.

It's almost right on the borderline of work saw/hot saw. I use it everyday with no problems.

[MMFaller39]

That there is my beef with most modded saws. The excessive volume level isn't worth the performance gain.
Hearing aids ain't all there cracked up to be, ask someone that wears them.

I ran my factory dp 046 against a modded 2186 J-red a while back....while I didn't flat out beat him, it was so close it wasn't funny. Best part was I couldn't hear my saw, the Dang J-red was so loud I had to go totally by "feel" in the cut. Yes, I had hearing protection.
End result, the J-red found a new home, I muffler modded a new 460 to match my old 046 for the former J-red owner.

Ed

My thoughts on this, whoever modded the 2186 didn't do it right. But a situation like that it al depends on who modded it and what they did to it.

[Al_Smith]

Is that used for competition or what?  Fallers here don't want to work that fast.

That's just a well tuned ported saw, it certainly isn't a hotty . Typical of how they run if they are done correctly .

[Cut4fun]

Is that used for competition or what?  Fallers here don't want to work that fast.

It's almost right on the borderline of work saw/hot saw. I use it everyday with no problems.

Lot of difference in a Hotsaw and a Work saw    maybe you meant a work saw on the edge of a good workable woods port.  What top you running 066 OEM with decomp or older one  without?

 Heck I was impressed with a 064 with stock BB066 4th gen top end I ran here for fun.  No wonder those other guys think their port work improved when bolting one on, their pretty hot out of the box.  

[MMFaller39]

Yeah, I meant it's almost as far as you can possibly go with a MWS.

[Al_Smith]

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  Heck I was impressed with a 064 with stock BB066 4th gen top end I ran here for fun.  
[/quote] I ran the same saw on the same day and it impressed me too .Not one lick of work done to it ,just a direct bolt on .They done good whoever designed it .

[MMFaller39]

Is that used for competition or what?  Fallers here don't want to work that fast.

It's almost right on the borderline of work saw/hot saw. I use it everyday with no problems.

Lot of difference in a Hotsaw and a Work saw    maybe you meant a work saw on the edge of a good workable woods port.  What top you running 066 OEM with decomp or older one  without?

 Heck I was impressed with a 064 with stock BB066 4th gen top end I ran here for fun.  No wonder those other guys think their port work improved when bolting one on, their pretty hot out of the box.  

How was the compression on the BB?

[Al_Smith]

Well obviously the comp was high but I don't know if anyone ever put a gauge on it .I don't remember if it had a comp release on it or not either .Seems to me I had to put the thing on the ground though to get it started .

The old boy that owns it sent me a PM from another site saying he may pay me a visit in his travels .If he shows up ,I'll ask him .

[Cut4fun]

I didnt check it either. Just a WAG from starting saws that size by feel.  Remember this was stock with base gasket in it from what I remember.  I would go on a limb and say 150-160psi with a WAG.  I had my 066 right there also while starting and mine had 180psi to compare to.

The 4th GEN NWP BB was nice out of the box.

[nmurph]

Is that used for competition or what?  Fallers here don't want to work that fast.

It's almost right on the borderline of work saw/hot saw. I use it everyday with no problems.

Lot of difference in a Hotsaw and a Work saw    maybe you meant a work saw on the edge of a good workable woods port.  What top you running 066 OEM with decomp or older one  without?

 Heck I was impressed with a 064 with stock BB066 4th gen top end I ran here for fun.  No wonder those other guys think their port work improved when bolting one on, their pretty hot out of the box.  

i didn't realize there was a BB for the 066. i just picked up a very nice 064. it sure sounds tempting to drop the $$ for a BB and play with the ports a little......98cc ported sure has a nice ring to it.

[MMFaller39]

Is that used for competition or what?  Fallers here don't want to work that fast.

That's just a well tuned ported saw, it certainly isn't a hotty . Typical of how they run if they are done correctly .

Thanks Al, this saw was an experiment itself. I wanted to see what kind of results I could get without any sort of pop-up or cutting the squish band. All I can say is I'm happy with how it turned out.

[Al_Smith]

It's an educated guess as to how they turn out .You have formulas,computer software and the like but you never really know unless you do it .

For that matter I've seen some barn burners that don't have raised dome pistons .In addition some have exceeded that "magical " compression number of 180 psi static pressure and do quite well in the long run .

Rambling on,Big Dave showed me two indentical cylinders from some Husqvarna he had done years ago .One ran good the other exceptional .Switching cylinders on two saws the power followed the cylinder .He nor anyone else could explain it .The onlookers were some of the best Husky wrenchs on the north American continent and none had the answer .Some are still alive today and I'll bet they are still scatching their heads  over that one .

[MMFaller39]

Yeah, I'm not sure I would call my saw a "barn burner" but I know it moves. Also the compression on my saw is a little over 180psi.

[Al_Smith]

It perhaps can be argumenative with a bunch of theory and a ton of conjecture but I've never been convinced you  can cause a two stroke to go into detination  with too much comp .I will agree you can get them so high you can't start them though .

It may sound like a bunch of hooey and I won't mention who but I know another Ohio gent that has a 3 cuber which runs at 300 psi static .On alkey/nitro of course .It's a dedicated alkey racer though,not a woods modified port job .

[MMFaller39]

200psi is about as far as I will go on a work saw. It can get old quick having to pull it over everyday. Unlike a hotsaw where you only have to start it for a few cuts once and awhile.