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What would you plant?
« on: March 23, 2010, 12:41:59 pm »
I am trying to figure out what trees I could plant on some property I have, and since the state was of little help I will try here.  2-3 acres is already open and another couple will be once the dead post oaks dissentegrate.  I have a pond that floods this area for 3-6 months out of the year.  I planted a couple hundred cypress nearest the pond last spring, but I think the higher water this year probably did them in before they had a chance.  There are a couple of really nice tall, straight willow oaks (28", 100' tall) left in a spot the loggers could not get to, and the soil survey lists them and water oak with a site index of 93.  Wondering if sycamore or cottonwood(also listed in the soil report) might do better with the extended flooding, or maybe a mix of the three with cottonwood in the wettest areas and willow oak in the driest..
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2010, 02:35:14 pm »
I'm having good luck with Swamp Chestnut Oaks in swampy locations.  But there is no "standing" water.

Timber companies actually build up rows to plant trees on in swampy areas.
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2010, 07:10:31 pm »
Follow your soils survey and plant the native species of choice recommended for your area's soil type.
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2010, 11:03:02 pm »
If I plant water and willow oak like the survey lists, will they mind the extended flooding?  Building up rows could be feasible since heavy equipment will already be out to work on the pond and I may need to find somewhere to put soil anyway.  The work will let runoff exit the pond quicker and should shorten the length of time the trees are flooded.
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2010, 10:09:50 am »
A lot of the wet oaks can take some flooding. They can be over topped during dormancy (winter) but need to be over the water at leaf out. They can stand in water forever as long as the leaves are out of the water. Cypress is the same. I would not put in cottonwood or any other light seeded tree they show up on their own.
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2010, 11:18:29 am »
I think swamp chestnut oak and overcup oak will handle the flooding better than water oak and willow oak. Of the two, willow oak is the more flood tolerant. Sycamore and cottonwood will handle the flooding also, but their value as sawtimber is minimal. Bald cypress is good choice, though.
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2010, 01:55:08 pm »
Like others have said, go with the Soil Service people, you could have Scotsville, Eastwood, or Latex soils, or any others in the area.  These are all high productivity soils and you need to plant to the best.  These soils recommend southern red oak, water oak and sweetgum.  But that is all a guess from a couple of hundred miles south of you.
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2010, 09:51:41 pm »
Thanks for all the input everyone.  I am going to go with willow oak since that is what the soil survey says works for Nahatche soil, and the few left are the best trees I have on the place.  I will add some more bald cypress in the areas with the most water after I see how the current seedlings handled their first year.  Read up on that soil and sounded pretty ideal for willow oak other than my manmade extra dose of flooding.
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2010, 12:46:53 am »
Which "Cross Roads" are you from in TX, the one in Denton County? I'm actually headed that direction tomorrow to see my girlfriend in Dallas. If your property isn't too far out of the way, I may be able to stop by briefly on the way back up to check it out firsthand for you if you'd like.
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2010, 07:15:34 am »
Wow Brian, even most of the people around here have never heard of this Cross Roads.  Thanks for the offer, but the property is actually in Red River county 2 hours away. 
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2010, 12:30:35 pm »
...saw the DFW comment in your signature and 'MapQuested' Cross Roads, TX...of which there are 5 in Texas! I've done some work right across the line from RRC in OK. The cottonwoods are the way to go on the wetter sites. How big of an area are you dealing with there?
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2010, 11:13:33 pm »
Brian, if you count Crossroads also there are 9 of them in Texas  :D .  I only have 5 acres max to plant currently, maybe only 3-4 if I just let natural regen go to work where the dead trees are at.  It is also a semi test planting to see what works best because I am working on buying the ~25 acres downstream and 2, 4, and 7 acre plots upstream from me that have similar conditions, been high graded repeatedly, and have the same soil.  I like a mixed forest, so maybe I will plant a few to see how they do.  Trying to turn it into a contiguous 57 acres, and then I will start looking for the next set of "neighbors" but thats a story for another day.
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2010, 08:06:23 am »
Why doest this forum have seperated regions to post to/about? I mean, your posting from Texas, and what I would plant is Sugar Maples but that wouldnt help you at all
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2010, 08:27:01 am »
That's why we like to see people put their address on their profile.  We have foresters from many sections of the world on here, as well as landowners and mill men.  Each has a different perspective given their locale.  Adding more sections for each region would make the forum pretty large.

With the current setup, we can customize our input to the situation.  Things that work here in the Northeast won't work as well in Texas.  Heck, things that work in my area of PA won't work in the tier counties of PA. 
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2010, 02:02:38 pm »
'course Don considers Philadelphia a suburb of Houston, so, to some folks, it's difficult to figure out where the edges of Texas really are.  :D
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2010, 09:52:06 pm »

Now hold on there Tom, the whole blessed country started out as Virginia, you know..........
'Course there's some parts we're glad not to claim anymore........
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2010, 01:39:24 am »
Quote from: jeffreythree on March 26, 2010, 11:13:33 pm
Brian, if you count Crossroads also there are 9 of them in Texas  :D .  I only have 5 acres max to plant currently, maybe only 3-4 if I just let natural regen go to work where the dead trees are at.  It is also a semi test planting to see what works best because I am working on buying the ~25 acres downstream and 2, 4, and 7 acre plots upstream from me that have similar conditions, been high graded repeatedly, and have the same soil.  I like a mixed forest, so maybe I will plant a few to see how they do.  Trying to turn it into a contiguous 57 acres, and then I will start looking for the next set of "neighbors" but thats a story for another day.

Guess they didn't want to take the time to figure out if there were any others with the same before settling on a name! Want a few cottonwood cuttings to test out? I have some available in the cooler that I won't get around to planting this year.
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2010, 10:43:43 pm »
Quote from: Brian Beauchamp on April 06, 2010, 01:39:24 am
Want a few cottonwood cuttings to test out? I have some available in the cooler that I won't get around to planting this year.

Sure, I will take some cottonwood cuttings if it is not to much trouble for you.  I believe I have a good spot for them all ready to go 8).
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2010, 11:17:28 am »
...PM sent your way! :)
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Re: What would you plant?
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2010, 10:38:34 am »
Photo time, and thanks to Brian for the cuttings.  These cottonwood cuttings have been in for about a week.  A couple did not make it, half are about to leaf out, and the other half look like these:




And some neat flowers I found under the trees while wandering around:
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