question on 361 & 362

[windthrown]

the 362 is diffinately a few onces heavier,but it does have more power&torque,and will burn less fuel. these are proven facts,both on paper , and in real world useage.

Real world? Paper? Did you all flunk math or something? Since when is a dozen the same as a few? We are talking 3/4 of a pound here, not a few ounces. Wake up class, 12 is not a few, and 3/4 of a pound is not equivalent to a few ounces.

Also some corrections here: the 362 has more power only compared to the USA model 361. It has the exact same power as the EU/UK model 361. If you compare the power to weight ratio, the 361 is better. Stihl compensated for the added weight of the 362 with a tad more power, like they compensated for the 441. Its a gimmik to get you guys all suckered into thinking that its a souped up 361, which it is not. Its an EPA mandated saw model. Otherwise they would have never re-designed the 361, or the 440 for that matter. 

Also the Stihl ads are misleading about the fuel consumption. Thay claim that the 362 is more fuel efficient than 'previous model saws'. Case in point, they do not compare the 362 directly to the 361 fuel consumption. More gimmicks that you guys are falling for. Where 'on paper' does it say that the 362 is more fuel efficient than the 361?

So lets compare the facts please, and not the BS?

[Reddog]

Well if the 362 responds as well as the 441 to a little work it will be a good saw.

[STIHLFULLSKIP]

the 362 is diffinately a few onces heavier,but it does have more power&torque,and will burn less fuel. these are proven facts,both on paper , and in real world useage.

Real world? Paper? Did you all flunk math or something? Since when is a dozen the same as a few? We are talking 3/4 of a pound here, not a few ounces. Wake up class, 12 is not a few, and 3/4 of a pound is not equivalent to a few ounces.

Also some corrections here: the 362 has more power only compared to the USA model 361. It has the exact same power as the EU/UK model 361. If you compare the power to weight ratio, the 361 is better. Stihl compensated for the added weight of the 362 with a tad more power, like they compensated for the 441. Its a gimmik to get you guys all suckered into thinking that its a souped up 361, which it is not. Its an EPA mandated saw model. Otherwise they would have never re-designed the 361, or the 440 for that matter. 

Also the Stihl ads are misleading about the fuel consumption. Thay claim that the 362 is more fuel efficient than 'previous model saws'. Case in point, they do not compare the 362 directly to the 361 fuel consumption. More gimmicks that you guys are falling for. Where 'on paper' does it say that the 362 is more fuel efficient than the 361?

So lets compare the facts please, and not the BS?

hey fella,i own them both,and run them both side by side 5-6days a week,do you??? we did not have to run these saws long to see that they cut a little faster,and use less fuel. this is no b.s,how many more facts do you want. last time i checked,you could not buy a eu,uk 361 in the us.i am not saying the 361 is a bad saw,it is a great saw,but i turn my saws every 2-3yrs. if i want a new 60cc stihl i have to run a 362. i have not had one guy complain  about the weight of 362. a 13lb saw is still a featherweight compared to a 460/660,don't you think?? this saw is very well built,and the air filtration is the best yet for a stihl.

[STIHLFULLSKIP]

put it to you this way,i will run my STOCK 362/25" against your STOCK 361/25" any day of the week.and then the facts will be clear to you.i'm not talkin' in that softwood you guys cut out there,good wood like red oak,elm,osage iron wood.that will push your good ole' 361 to the limit in both power and its ability to keep a 25" bar oiled,then you can tell how much of idiot i am for owning a 362.

[Al_Smith]

  Geeze it's only a chainsaw not your first born 

[boobap]

i was gonna say something, but i wanted to see them "duke" it out 

[RandyMac]

Geeze it's only a chainsaw not your first born 

Yer funny Mr. Smith.

A 361 is XL12 or 10-10 size, right? Face slappin' contests should be limited to 100cc or bigger chainsaws.

[Al_Smith]

  Oh it doesn't make a hill of beans to nothing . Big deal it uses less gas like it's a over bore 454 Chevy or something . As long as the damned things cuts and runs okay who cares ?---and yes I do a couple of 10-10 Macs that do just that but I don't get on my high horse about it .---you stir a little to the left, then to the right .

[quietrangr]

In another thread, I remember windthown saying he had tendonitis, so he liked lighter saws. I have something, don't know for sure what it is, that heavier saws hurt my wrists. Ten and twelve years ago I ran 66s and 394s, but have been going to smaller saws ever since. I wouldn't want to go any smaller than the 361, though. For some of us older guys--speaking only for myself here, wouldn't want to use the "O" word to describe anyone else--that 3/4 pound difference between the 361 and 362 is substantial.

What I've found is that my production has dropped very little if any. The bigger saws cut faster, but it only makes much difference in a big cut. So you're not gaining any time when you're walking between cuts, limbing, or lopping. I estimated once that on the kind of trees I cut, mostly hardwoods, I might save a couple of minutes in a two foot diamter tree that takes me a half hour or so from start to finish. (These are trees with a fair amount of eight foot firewood in the limbs. That's why they take that long.) But then I might gain using the smaller saw by needing fewer sit-down breaks.

I have not run a 362, so can't comment directly on that. I owned a 441 for three days, and it wasn't a bad saw, but it hurt my wrists, so I sold it and took a $200 loss. I didn't listen to the significant owner complaints...had to try it for myself, and look what happened. That's why I stayed away from the 362; had too many similarities to the 440/441 situation.

As to the 361's air cleaning...no, I don't like blowing out the filter every day, that's why I have an extra filter. Then it's cleaning every other day.

[STIHLFULLSKIP]

In another thread, I remember windthown saying he had tendonitis, so he liked lighter saws. I have something, don't know for sure what it is, that heavier saws hurt my wrists. Ten and twelve years ago I ran 66s and 394s, but have been going to smaller saws ever since. I wouldn't want to go any smaller than the 361, though. For some of us older guys--speaking only for myself here, wouldn't want to use the "O" word to describe anyone else--that 3/4 pound difference between the 361 and 362 is substantial.

What I've found is that my production has dropped very little if any. The bigger saws cut faster, but it only makes much difference in a big cut. So you're not gaining any time when you're walking between cuts, limbing, or lopping. I estimated once that on the kind of trees I cut, mostly hardwoods, I might save a couple of minutes in a two foot diamter tree that takes me a half hour or so from start to finish. (These are trees with a fair amount of eight foot firewood in the limbs. That's why they take that long.) But then I might gain using the smaller saw by needing fewer sit-down breaks.

I have not run a 362, so can't comment directly on that. I owned a 441 for three days, and it wasn't a bad saw, but it hurt my wrists, so I sold it and took a $200 loss. I didn't listen to the significant owner complaints...had to try it for myself, and look what happened. That's why I stayed away from the 362; had too many similarities to the 440/441 situation.

As to the 361's air cleaning...no, I don't like blowing out the filter every day, that's why I have an extra filter. Then it's cleaning every other day.

point well made,i,m not forty yet,but i can see the weight of a saw definately becoming an issue.

[stonebroke]

Just wait until you get a little older, We all seem to downsize our saws. I am looking for a rearhandle ms200. Hot little saw and very little weight. When you get older you work smarter not harder.

Stonebroke

[NWwoodsman]

I total agree with my Northwest brother windthrown. It's like comparing a resticted,smog pump, cat, motor from the late 70's with a free flowing muscle car of the 60's. You real think you're getting more for your O'bama dollars than we got for our bush money, think again.
JASON

[Jeff]

This forum is not the type of forum some of you may be used to frequenting. I have no idea when you say things like someone is "a joke" whether he is a buddy and you are giving him a ribbing, or if you are cutting  someone down, and since some of you are rather new, some of you may not know my rules on disrespectful conduct and comments on the Forestry Forum.  They don't happen, or you don't happen.

Now that you all understand, I expect there will be no more of it.

[bill m]

Well put Jeff. I have been noticing the same thing on other threads here with some of the newer members ( not that I am much of a veteran) if you don't subscribe to there beliefs your no good.

[beenthere]

Sometimes it is becomes a pushing and shoving match as to who thinks they know more than someone else.
It escalates just like the scraps on the street corner, or "out behind the barn".   

I try (not always successful  ) to make my comment once in a thread and then back out.   Sometimes I don't say it succinct enough the first time, and that is my fault. 

[Mark K]

I usually run a 441 or a 372 for bucking logs, we cut mainly hardwood. Would a 362 keep up with a 441. We bucked up 8500ft this afternoon in 2 hours and I was thinking a lighter saw would be nice. Most of the hard maple we bucked was 30-32" across at the base and 20" about 30-35' feet up the tree. I run full skip chains on all my saws, makes sharpening faster and keeps the rpm's up.

[NWwoodsman]

I sorry for the last post, and it won't happen again. Don't type and drink.  I got caught up in all the opinions, suprised someone didn't step in sooner with all the mudslinging going on. Also noticed it on the post about skidsteer vs tactor. Hard to know whats to far, but your right and I retract all insults. I still think the 361 is a better saw.
Jason

[windthrown]

I do not understand this myth about the PNW only having balsa wood. I have oak, apple, madrone, elm, maple and a lot of other hardwood species here, along with a lot of Doug fir. I have about 4 cords of hardwood rounds that could use carving up, actually. We also have some maples that need falling and bucking up too. Lots of wood to cut here.

Anyone wants to come by and show me how much better the 362 is over the 361 is welcome here any time. I will even provide the beer. I have lots of long bars and loops here to put on them. Better hurry though, my last stock 361 is gonna get opened up and ported real soon. I am working on a full port design to replace my DP 044 with a fully woods ported and turned down 361. I want a light high power saw with really good AV. A 30% gain should give me 5.75 HP, which is more than within typical woods porting gains. Then I will throw in a 460 HO oiler kit and be able to run 28 an 32 inch bars on it. It will suck gas and sling oil, and the EPA can... well, never mind.

I also have a line on about dozen more new 361s if anyone is interested in one of these tired old dinosaurs.

[windthrown]

I usually run a 441 or a 372 for bucking logs, we cut mainly hardwood. Would a 362 keep up with a 441. We bucked up 8500ft this afternoon in 2 hours and I was thinking a lighter saw would be nice. Most of the hard maple we bucked was 30-32" across at the base and 20" about 30-35' feet up the tree. I run full skip chains on all my saws, makes sharpening faster and keeps the rpm's up.

In a word? No. The 360/361/362 (60cc) series will not keep pace with the 044/440/441/372 (70cc) series saws. Especially when bucking up larger stuff (over 24 inches). I run a 361 with an 044 fairly often. You would need to fully woods port a 360/361/362 to keep up. You would also have to modify the oil pump in the 361 (or 362) to run a 28 inch or larger bar. The 361 has the same oil pump body as the 460, and you can replace the guts of the pump with the 460R parts and it will gush oil. I bought my third (or was it the fourth?) 361 barely used with a 28 inch bar on it, and it was already showing signs of bar burn, with the oil pump cranked up all the way. The 372 or 441 are probably better siuted to what you are doing.

[Al_Smith]

  You would need to fully woods port a 360/361/362 to keep up. You would also have to modify the oil pump in the 361 (or 362) to run a 28 inch or larger bar. The 361 has the same oil pump body as the 460, and you can replace the guts of the pump with the 460R parts and it will gush oil.   

Good point . I can't speak on the 361 but other Stihls while they may be able to handle longer bars lack the ability to properly lubricate the bar and chain .

Regarding this 362 ,it's way too new for a tight wad like me to own one . I imagine by the time it gets for me to ever own one it will be old technoligy .Fact is I've never even seen one and only one ever of the 441 .