old wood stoves

[SwampDonkey]

The heating plant in Fredericton has heated the university (UNB) and residences as well as the regional hospital for 30 years. I don't know why the state would have to subsidize a mill for it's sawdust. This plant is fed my a commercial sawmill with waste that can't be pulped, just another revenue stream for the mill. Has a 40 000 lb./hrr. capacity waste wood-fired boiler (and two 120 000 lb./hrr.) capacity fossil fuel boilers.) The central heating plant also produces steam to heat buildings operated by St. Thomas University and the Research and Productivity Council, and to heat and cool Dr. Everett Chalmers Hospital. These three facilities consume approximately 30 percent of the steam that is produced by the plant.

http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/Publications/commercial/m27-01-1364e.cfm?attr=20

Information is 10 years old.

[PC-Urban-Sawyer]

acronyms suck. so sayeth the career military guy...I have made a habit of interrupting every meeting i am forced to go to and making some bureauRat explain his buzzwords and acronyms...
tax dollars at work...

Zopi,

My old CO would say that POD is DOA  Of course that was in the MSO USN... Where the ships were built of wood and the men were made of metal (non-magnetic, of course)...Herb EMC SW USN(Ret)

WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT ---what gives with all those fool letters

Downeast,

Just having a bit of fun with Zopi...

CO = Commanding Officer
POD = Plan Of the Day
DOA = Dead On Arrival
MSO = Minesweep, Oceangoing
USN = United States Navy
EMC = Electrician's Mate Chief
SW = Surface Warefare qualified
Ret = Retired

Hope that helps

Herb

[downeast]

Zopi,
My old CO would say that POD is DOA  Of course that was in the MSO USN... Where the ships were built of wood and the men were made of metal (non-magnetic, of course)...Herb EMC SW USN(Ret)

WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT ---what gives with all those fool letters
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Downeast,
Just having a bit of fun with Zopi...

CO = Commanding Officer
POD = Plan Of the Day
DOA = Dead On Arrival
MSO = Minesweep, Oceangoing
USN = United States Navy
EMC = Electrician's Mate Chief
SW = Surface Warefare qualified
Ret = Retired

Hope that helps

Herb
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Herb.
Stop showing off the useless  .
As a former dirt man, I know all of the above ( so bright ) except those water ranks. 
No need to know SW, or MSO, or even USN. We had our own transport. 
Keep up the TLA's.

[Bill]

Used to have a Fisher Papa Bear - worked real good ( and I burned whatever was free back in those days ) in my first house. Had to clean the chimney once and awhile  ( or burn a real hot fire on a cold rainy night ? - not recommended at all but when you're young ) .

Also had a Shenandoah wood stove with coal grate - nice little bimetal thermostat to regulate the air - it still sits in the basement waiting to furnish that long awaited " cabin in the Rockies ".

Now using a Consolidated Dutchwest wood/coal stove with a glass ( ceramic ? ) door. The gaskets are starting to go ( can smell the smoke sometimes ) and I took the catalyst out to burn coal ( like they said ) . Since I mostly use wood now I may put it back - told it 'll cut back on chimney cleanings - and I now let the wood sit - covered only - for a year or two before burning.  Except for the gaskets ( not a problem with the other stoves -esp Fisher being welded airtight ) not a bad stove for 24x7 .

[downeast]

Oh, yeah, we have a Copper Clad in the basement (my bestman's wedding gift to us), s when TSHF we will cooking on that baby. I still cant understand the logic of a pellet stove, unless it can burn corn and your a corn farmer. 

 Ironwood

Why have a pellet stove?
1.Fill it once a day
2.Clean fuel
3. About the same cost for fuel if you have to buy the wood
4.Clean it every 2 to 3 days
5. Very little ash
6. 5 heat adjustments
I could go on.  I would never consider going back to a wood stove.

Here we go again: just say "no" to pellets. Let's do the numbers---

1. Yes pellets are "clean". So is my wood; just takes some light sweeping up when loading and racking for the day.

2. And no Virginia, the cost of pellets is not the same as CSD hardwood BTU to BTU. Besides most of us cut our own='free'.

3. Load once/day for what amount of heat ? Pellet stoves in snow country don't put out.   (Heat)

4. Irregular, unreliable supply everywhere, even here in Maine. Some pellet makers do a good job , others not. Some is hardwood, some soft.
    "Clinkers" in the pellets (debris such as stones!) do wonders for the motor and auger.

5. Ease of use huh ? What 75 Y.O. lady can hump a 40 lb bag into a hopper ?

6. Pellet stoves break down-- and often IF used for heating. The rig needs continual maintenance and cleaning. Tiny motors don't work MTBR in heat.

7. Yes, I am a PB (Pellet Bigot). The hype is too much.

8. And how about that romantic eveing beside......the grinding clinking of the auger !!! 

9. For you greenies out there: the pellet process is a high energy user. Just thought you'd want to know.

10.  Have I said: "I don't like pellet stoves" ?

11. Oh yeah, how in the H do you stack all those tiny tiny rabbit pellets ?

[Don_Papenburg]

The energy used can not be that bad as abag of pellets or a ton of bagged pellets is priced reasonable . 
So once you pay for the bag o pellets that cost of mfg is wiped out .    That is a bad argument . It is like the greenies telling  us that the MFGing of concrete is a large energy consumer .  But that is all figured into the cost . If you buy the product the  cost of energy is paid for  and no longer a factor .  That is to say the energy to produce the pellet  can not now be brought forward to figure in to the energy that you use to operate your stove .  IE. If it cost 100 BTUs to produce the pellet  and 10 BTUs to operate the stove .  You have only 10 BTUs in cost of operating the stove .  Not 110 BTUs   The greenbacks have erased the 100 BTUs.

 You leave them on the pallet in the sacks they came in  so you do not have to stack them. 

As for the old lady and the 40 lb. Bag  she opens it and scoops out a small bucket full and dumps that into the stove .
 
Don't try to make things harder than need be  .

I don't use pellets . I heat with wood  ,  Lickwood   






Lickwood petrolium  gas.      Real easy, set the Honeywell to the desired number and the house stays at that temp like magic.

[Shagy]

Have a  Fisher at my camp. been there for yrs. We have had to open the doors and windows many times to cool down the camp but the bull dog just slides a little closer to the stove. If this stove could talk.... Ohhh Boy

[StephenRice]

As far as pellet stoves are concerned, how come I have not heard anyone talking about using cherry pits?  I guess they are just not available where you guys are at, but I believe they sell a lot of them in Michigan and I think that the heat produced is considerable.  And, what about corn?  Any stoves capable of using wood chips?  It seems like that would be a good way to go if possible due to the large amount of limbs often wasted.  It does not seem like it would be hard to dry wood chips in even a home made drum style kiln dryer.

Anyone using a Timberline wood stove?  I remember them from when I was young and really liked their simplicity.  They were dangerous to children because they got so hot, but that also translated to good heating for the house with their good plate steel construction.  I often wanted to build my own stove similar in style to the old Timberlines.

Also, I installed a new soapstone wood stove for an old fella some years ago.  It was from the Woodstock Soapstone Company from New Hampshire.  Anyone used one of those or like it?  The one I installed had a triple catalytic converter and was pretty efficient.  The soapstone would hold the heat for quite a while, even after the fire went out.

I also like those big old-fashioned kitchen stoves that had an oven in them.  Anyone got one of those?

[SwampDonkey]

Kitchen wood stoves yes, for the most part they are the Enterprise/Fawcett company out of Sackville. My uncle still cooks on his in fall and winter, I remember grandmother had hot water off it in winter, but they removed that part. We had one here to until dad remodeled the house. There are still a good many around in older houses. I was at one old home not many years ago, maybe 3, and the old lady was doing all the cooking on the wood stove in summer. No electric stove there. The old timer was enjoying the heat and it was probably 75 degrees outside. He spend all his spare time cutting firewood. Piles and piles of firewood all over the farm.

[doctorb]

We still have a working Harrowsmith wood stove from cental Ontario in our cabin.  May be 40-50 years old by now.  I had to replace the glass because of cracking and found out they have been out of business for some time.  Anyone else have one?

Doctorb

[StephenRice]

Found a bunch of really nice old wood stoves on ebay, both cooking and soapstone.

[thecfarm]

Stephen,here's one for you, oven and all.

 



This one is just like the one my Grandmother use to cook on when we was haying.It's a 6 burner Home Clarion.

[StephenRice]

Yeah, I really like that.  I would use it to cook as well.  The biggest drawback I see is that the ovens are too narrow for regular sized pizzas.  I guess I would be limited to the little ones.  Probably better for me anyways. 

Anyone care for wood fired oven baked pizza?

[SwampDonkey]

My uncle wants to upgrade to the Enterprise Monarch, that'll cook that pizza.

Reminds me of the tale of pizza and the dog. My mom's uncle never had pizza before. The kids cooked one and served. Uncle gave a portion to the dog. It wouldn't touch it. Uncle said he wasn't eat'n nothing a dog won't touch.

[StephenRice]

That Monarch is a really nice stove.  The oven is a little bit bigger too.  I just checked the specs and it said the oven is 17" wide  You just might be able to slide a 16" pizza pan in there.  If so, then that would be all that is needed.  Also, it looks like it might be just about big enough for a ham or turkey roaster pan.  That would make me happy.  Then, I would like to build myself a large soapstone heater if I could afford the soapstone.  I priced some new commercially made ones at $17,000, and you have to assemble (I should say, build) them yourself or pay someone to come do it.  Beautiful though... one 3-4 hour fire to provide heat for a 1,600 - 2,000 sf house for 12-20 hours.  I think that two burns a day used 35 lbs. of hardwood.

[StephenRice]

Yep, I am definitely in love with the Monarch.  They even have an optional "waterfront" which is a built in heat exchanger for connecting to your water heater.  How much do they cost?

[SwampDonkey]

I seem to recall around $3000 CDN. I believe there are dealers in the US.

[Ironwood]

Try Lehman Hardware (http://www.lehmans.com/store/Stoves___Cook_Stoves___Wood_Burning_Cook_Stoves?Args=&view_all=&sort_by=) in Kidron Ohio, they are one of the best non electric catalogs and sella ton of cookstoves. I think the other good one is Cumberland something or other.


 Ironwood

[cgk60]

We have an old earth stove that goes 24/7 great stove with a bi-metal air control.

[jpgreen]

Love my old Fisher.  Been heating our place with it now for 11 years.

It's one of the last models with the solid roll one piece top and cast doors with brass treeline design.

I burn all species on the property including green wood. It will hold a burn all night long with spare for the morning.

Ramp up a hot fire in the morning and the creosote flakes right off the flew into the stove. Never have to clean it.

I know folks who have new EPA cat converter stoves with nothing but problems unless they burn the perfect cord wood. Forgetabout it- they'll have to take my Fisher from my cold dead hands...