Ax-Men; new series

[mrnero]

New series of Ax-men this Sunday. If its anything like the previous series, It should be quite interesting on how professional logging operations are performed throughout the country.

[thecfarm]

Don't take this the wrong way,but that is not how it's done.The first season was pretty good,the second one I only watched 2-3 shows.Got tired of them laughing at the new guy and bumping thier gums.I may watch one show to see how this series will be.
I think this link is last years series,
http://www.forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,36303.0.html

[mrnero]

...............but that is not how it's done.

What do you mean when you say " ...thats not how its done" ?

[thecfarm]

Please go to the link and read EVERY post in the link.Just like I said the first series was not too bad,but the second one was a waste of time IMO.Lots of good opinions in the link.

[motohed]

Please go to the link and read EVERY post in the link.Just like I said the first series was not too bad,but the second one was a waste of time IMO.Lots of good opinions in the link.

 X2 osha would never allow a lot of what went on in that series .

[Jeff]

I'll probably watch the first show to see whats up this year, but after that mess they screened last year, I'm not to excited about it. Good thing about this year is I don't HAVE to watch it like I did the last two.

[beenthere]

It is kinda like watchin a horror movie (or any movie for that matter) and thinking that what is seen is "how it is performed" in real life. 

Mrnero - you are a good straight man anyway. 

[LOGDOG]

Guys,

   Have any of the Axe Men crew made a showing here recently? I know some of them were posting there for a bit.

LOGDOG

[Warbird]

They were posting here?  Hope I didn't anger any of them with my negative comments about the show...

[Jeff]

Jay Browning has not been on since last spring. He never did have much time for forums.  Darryl from Gustafson logging checked in last year, and we swapped hats.     I think they are or were in the public eye to such an extent that posting on a forum is not something they find to be an added enjoyment. 

[LOGDOG]

You're probably right Jeff. If they were around I thought I'd get some perspective from them on one of myother threads regarding the availabiity of logs to the small producer in OR, WA, and B.C.

Getting good insight from our members as it is though. 

Let's hope this years series of Ax-Men is tuned up from what it was last year.


LOGDOG

[mrnero]

Jay Browning .... were in the public eye ....that posting on a forum is not something they find to be an added enjoyment. 

"A-men" to that.  expecialy if Jay Browning and other Ax-men had to reply daily to negative impacts on a forum, regarding to their logging technique's in the Great NW woods. To me, thats not enjoyment either. But anyway Mr Browning ( if you and your other professional loggers in the Great NW are listening),   I'm looking forward to your new Ax-men series. Good Luck

[LOGDOG]

Actually Jay Browning is fine. Runs a good operation. But his son Jessie, Jimmy (the dad) from S&S Aqua logging, and the skinny yarder operator with the glasses and scruffy beard who's constantly screwing up - they all need a bar of soap in their mouth. There's nothing "professional" about conducting yourself in that manner in the workplace. Doesn't matter what field of work you're in.

LOGDOG

[Jeff]

Logdog, my following comment is not at all trying to dispute yours, or negate it in anyway, I'm only using it as an example.

Having had phone conversations with 3 or 4 people directly related to the axmen show, I know comments like Logdog's are the exact type of thing these guys do not want to see and why they stay away. We generally don't make such public comments about each others private affairs, but for some reason we do it about someone once they are on T.V.  Somehow to the public, it makes them fair game for public comment. Be it negative, or the opposite, to gush over them and tell them how wonderful they are.  Its easier for them just to stay away from it.  No matter what they say, they can't win, as the show has already created a public impression that is hard to change, be it reality, or reality as the producers see to create it.

[LOGDOG]

You're probably right Jeff. Editing definitely plays a role in what we see of any reality series. Condensing material can make the content seem more "concentrated" either for the better or worse. Unless the producers are inciting these guys to "communicate" the way they do my personal opinion (and that's all it is) is that they could show some restraint in their choice of words. Take for instance the "Deadliest Catch" series. I'm sure that those fisherman and the Captains of those boats probably use some choice words from time to time. But they don't make it on our screen. I'm not sure who influences that. Do the producers edit it? Do the individuals opt not to use the language while on camera? We know they have disputes on camera but I've never seen the "color" on Deadliest Catch that I've seen on Axe Men.

I think it's probably fair to say that we have quite a mix of folks here on the Forum. We probably all have a varied opinion regarding what's acceptable in how we deal with people in our personal life whether it's verbally, physically or otherwise. Yet, when we show up to a public place like the Forum we "groom" our habits to fit the environment that we're in. I think that is what has made the Forum so appealing and attractive. I'd be inclined to think that the Axe Men series would have a larger audience tuning in if they cleaned it up a bit. If they did, then we wouldn't have comments about it on the Forum and they wouldn't have to feel self-conscious about visiting. Again, just a personal preference / opinion.

I "do" enjoy watching the equipment and the scenery. Just gotta click the mute button sometimes. Like the Forum is your living room Jeff, our TV's are in all of our living rooms. If someone was running their mouth like the guys on Axe Men in my living room, they'd be asked to tone it down or take it elsewhere.


LOGDOG

[motohed]

I guess there are more prospectives than what we see on tv . We personally gave up tv all togther last year we on occasion watch a movie , but no tv . I am sure they didn't do things as dangerously as was portrayed on the series .

[Magicman]

Looks like that cussin "river guy" is back.....

He surely wasted some good lumber by whacking that log so deeply with a CSM.

[567paloggger]

I personally like the show i think its great. I cant wait to see the swamp logger he looks like he is gonna be a little nutty and do crazy things does anyone know what chainsaws the crews are using and why

[timberfaller390]

I actually would prefer them to just leave all the cencorship out of it, IF they aren't going to clean up thier language. I would rather hear all the swearing than all the anoying little bleeps. they bleeped everything in the DVD's too. Don't get me wrong I would prefer them to not use so much profanity but it doesn't bother me, then again I have a pretty colorful vocabulary when not in mixed company.    It seems like alot of people don't like the show because of the language but it is cencored so you don't have to hear the "F" word every 3 seconds but you can usally figure out what they are saying.

[mrnero]

...............I know comments like " Logdog's " are..........

Never heard of "Logdogs" phrase before.  Thats a new one on me. I think they are somewhat more respected in this regions and are refered to as lumberjack's. I think if someone used that phrase to the wrong person, you will be calling the emt's when you wake up.

..... his son Jessie, Jimmy (the dad) from S&S Aqua logging,.... they all need a bar of soap in their mouth. There's nothing "professional" about conducting yourself in that manner in the workplace.

LOGDOG

You are right, except when its a ( two boss operation) e.g.; father and son team working together.


D*m; I'm getting better on posting    couple of more years, I should be even better on posting. 

[Jeff]

I'm getting better on posting  Shocked Shocked Shocked  couple of more years, I should be even better on posting.

Only think wrong is that you mis-understood the point that I was talking about LOGDOG's Post, not calling anyone \Logdog other then Logdog.

[mrnero]

  is that you mis-understood ...............

Oops!!!!  Sorry about that. My mistake.

[Jeff]

Actually Two things.  They don't like to be called Lumberjacks either. They are Loggers. That was actually addressed in one of the old episodes, and it seems to me the answer was something like, we don't have a blue ox.

[Warbird]

I wonder if they get Buynan's?  Or is that bunions?    To clarify my comment about the negative things I have said bout the show in the past:  I can't stand fake drama and that sort of thing.  They do the same thing on Orange County Choppers and other shows I used to watch.  Note the term, "used to".  Show me logging and the industry.  Leave the soap opera at home or you lose a viewer.  It is plain and simple.

I am sure there are some great guys on the show.  I do not blame them for the show sucking.

*edit* By the way, what is it with folks messing up the quote function?

[SwampDonkey]

They don't like the word "lumberjack" around here neither. It's like a curse word, even though some (not all) are "jack legs". To be quite honest I didn't care for the show too much. I worked around and stayed in camp with a few and I never seen some of those performances where I worked or they would be singing good bye. I never cut timber with them, but was involved in the whole layout process from scouting the timber, marking falling corners, cruising it, deflection lines for road layout, gully assessments to determine if there was risk of slides, even a few creek assessments and traverses. Some blocks they cut everything to the ground before a stick was yarded. Everything was yarded to roadside, limbs and all. Blocks clean. Piles of waste burnt. Roads deactivated if nothing was to be developed beyond or on temporary basis. Water bars on every road that climbed them hills.

[Mooseherder]

Pawn Stars which airs before Ax-Men on the History Channel is becoming one of my favorite shows.
They come across some amazing items and are quite the characters.  I don't mind a character playing it up some what for the camera.  After all, it is a Show.  Looking forward to see if they made some improvements over last season.

I sure hope that Jimmy, the water log character don't come to Florida for this year's show.  That would be a big mistake on the History channel's part.  The History Channel has some programming that kinda makes me want to call them the Doomsday channel some times.  

[wi woodcutter]

Pawn Stars which airs before Ax-Men on the History Channel is becoming one of my favorite shows.
They come across some amazing items and are quite the characters.  I don't mind a character playing it up some what for the camera.  After all, it is a Show.  Looking forward to see if they made some improvements over last season.

I sure hope that Jimmy, the water log character don't come to Florida for this year's show.  That would be a big mistake on the History channel's part.  The History Channel has some programming that kinda makes me want to call them the Doomsday channel some times.  

I agree 110%

I like the Pawn Stars show a lot. It sure seems to me that the History Channel has gone down hill, all their shows are "Life after death" "How the Earth was Made" etc. etc. They could really use some better programing.

[LOGDOG]

Only think wrong is that you mis-understood the point that I was talking about LOGDOG's Post, not calling anyone \Logdog other then Logdog.

I was starting to wonder what derogatory "phrase" I had used. Normally I'm pretty careful about that. I'll be in front of the TV tonight watching like everyone else. Admittedly I look forward to the show. I just look forward to it with the hopes that it's improved from last years format. Another hour and fifteen minutes and we'll get a look. Enjoy the show y'all. 

LOGDOG

[mrnero]

They don't like the word "lumberjack" around here neither. It's like a curse word, even though some (not all) are "jack legs".

" jack legs " !!! never heard of that one before either.Whats is the proper term that should be use when addressing logging personel or professional people with chain saws thats harvest standing trees ?? or skidder personal ?? high climbers and etc.?

Actually Two things.  ..........They are Loggers.

Asked and answered. Forgot to read Jeffs post first before my reply. Oh Well !!!  Maybe I should  all the post's  first before I reply next time, what U think !!

[beenthere]

skiddy boys is NOT good...

[Jeff]

Whats is the proper term that should be use when addressing logging personel or professional people with chain saws

As "Sir". Example: Why yes sir. Sorry sir.

[LOGDOG]

Mr. "last name of person you're addressing" always works good too and is usually a safe bet. Especially in the South and especially if it's the first time you're meeting them.


LOGDOG

[Dan_Shade]

I don't see the problem, if I were a logger, I'd enjoy being referred to as a lumberjack:

[SwampDonkey]

Good old Monty.     

[Dan_Shade]

[Roxie]

I was so happy to see Melvin!      But the way the show ended...do you think he's alright?

[LOGDOG]

I hope he is. When I saw him back in the cab of a yarder I said to my wife, "Uh oh, Melvin's back on the job. Run for your lives!" I had no idea he'd run a log straight through his cab like that. He seems like a nice guy- jolly. But I wouldn't work on the same site as him. He forces things a little too much for my taste.

Hope he's ok though. We'll see next week. What a cliffhanger huh?


LOGDOG

[Don K]

The new swamp guy is crazzeeee

Don

[LOGDOG]

Don,

   We got a name for guys like him here in Louisiana. I better not type it though.  It starts with "Crazy", second part is what Daniel Boone's hat was made of - 4 letters and the last part is a three letter word for a donkey. The funny thing is, they call themselves by the name. They're proud of it.

   I think ole Jimmy from S&S Aqua Logging is fixin' to get a surprise when he jumps in one of our bayous. Ahhh eeeeeee!!! 

LOGDOG

[scsmith42]

   I think ole Jimmy from S&S Aqua Logging is fixin' to get a surprise when he jumps in one of our bayous. Ahhh eeeeeee!!! 

LOGDOG

Landon, is that what y'all refer to as "the crocodile walk"? 

[LOGDOG]

Yep Scott. That or the "Loggerhead Shuffle" - Loggerhead Turtle that is. Those things get as big as a card table over here and have a beak on them that would take a hand or foot clean off. Really amazing animals.

Did you see that clip of Jimmy saying, "Nobody said anythng about 12' alligators being in the river!" Having second thoughts Jimmy?


LOGDOG

[scsmith42]

Nah, I missed that clip - pretty good quote though...

[Jeff]

It was the last few seconds of the show. They never made it on the first episode other then that.

[geohayes7]

Jimmy is going to be working for Joe Collins who's tied in with George Goodwin  he told us that one of the curly pine logs we got was going to be cut on ax men have to watch and see

[geohayes7]

I can tell you the first thing you don't do is jump in the water like that unless you want to be impaled on a tree branch

[Raider Bill]

I can tell you the first thing you don't do is jump in the water like that unless you want to be impaled on a tree branch

Yeah that was pretty dumb.

[geohayes7]

Florida requires that all deadhead loggers attend a class whereby you receive a certificate stating you are a master deadhead logger I wonder if jimmy was issued it? Next class 2/20/10

[crd1957]

i watched part of an ax man episode. it reminded me of a show they had on about oil and gas drilling in west texas. i spent sixteen years drilling wells in texas,new mexico and oklahoma.i found every flaw in this show until my wife reminded me that this show is really not for me and my roughneck buddys, but for a wider audience.thiers not enough loggers or oil workers to pay for this type of program.so let the producers edit it to entertain the general public

[Warbird]

Your wife is a wise woman.  I still can't stand all the fake drama, though. 

[beenthere]

crd1957
Good words to remember when watching. I still enjoy watching the shows, but do so with the sound off and just watch. Good scenery, and seeing some of the equipment and conditions that they work in and around is good entertainment for me. 
The yelling, etc BS is about as interesting as listening to the field color commentators on ESPN sports. That is mute button material too. 

[JimMartin9999]

Can anyone explain why the west coast guys wear those funny hats?  Don?t  use ear or eye protection and use caulks or calks (hobnails) on their boots?

[isawlogs]

 It rains alot over there , so the wide rime hat I think would be a good thing , the spiked boots , well did ya see the hill sides there ... One needs all the help he can get to climb and if walking along the down trees , they should would help . now for the ear/eye thing , personal use I guess .

[chevytaHOE5674]

I wear a full brim skull bucket as they keep the rain and snow off the back of your neck, I also wear caulk boots because it makes walking in the woods soo much easier. Don't have to worry about sliding up and down hills, and can walk on logs without sliding off.

[SwampDonkey]

I wore those type of hard hats out there all the time as well as chaulk boots, as Marcel said repels the rain and keeps you on your feet. Those side hills had soil on top that they termed goose grease, about right. However the hard hats we had out there were not CSA approved and WCB here won't pass them, so the woods safety guys won't allow them. Here what a lot of fellows used on the regular hard hat is a nylon or rubber curtain around the back of the helmet to shed rain. I never bother myself, you get so hot in that humid condition while bush whacking that a little rain down the neck feels nice.  I always wear the chaulks back east here cutting brush and marking strip lines, also goggles with mesh screen and plugs when cutting. Safety guy says goggles and hardhat once you leave the road.

[JimMartin9999]

Thanks.  I´ll buy the brim on the hat  argument although a flap on the back would keep the sun off just as well.  Who wants to be seen as a redneck?
 I imagine those  guys spend a lot of time trying to get wood  chips out of their eyes and don´t hear too well.
I wonder, though,  if the caulks have any disadvantages.  I don´t  think I would be welcome in a lot of cafes for example.  If they are so good, why do so few guys in the east use them?

[SwampDonkey]

Probably because of regulations and maybe a little bit about safety training as well. We have to use them when the woods is wet and rainy while thinning. I find that it is easier to walk through slippery slash and with the right boot it is even easier on the feet and knees. If your walking on slippery logs they are real handy, just like a cat. I suppose the caulk boots in the diner is right up there with the barn boots after cleaning out the cattle?

I've seen some guys in the south wear shorts, sneakers, no goggles no plugs or muffs.

[captain_crunch]

If you ever wore calk boots you would know why we wear them ain't nothing Ice included slicker than a fir pole with bark skinned off it. Also OSHA requires them. as for the Hard hat USFS personal wear the Wickerbill cap and NO logger wants to be accused of working for the USFS When skid lid gets knocked off face sheild is hard on nose not to mention you ever tried to spit Copenhagen thru one and other than yelling it is not very noisey down in brush