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I guess it depends on what pest you are referring; most pests can't live once the logs are peeled (or are not considered an major threat), but if the logs are being shipped "green" there should be no difference in quarantine regs. But, once again, it depends on the pest...........
Not sure I understand what you mean by "the whole transport theory of firewood"Care to elaborate? If you are talking the quarantine on firewood because of EAB, then I feel there is no justification for using firewood as the whipping-boy. But they (Gov't, etc) needed to do something to make it look like they were doing something, and restricting firewood movement was the only solution. My opinion, and haven't seen or read anything that has changed that - yet. And no way will they (Gov't, etc) are going to quarantine logs and pulp wood moving about. That would be a overboard. IMO
http://www.dem.ri.gov/programs/bnatres/forest/urbanfor.htmThe link above is a Rhode Island Division of Forestry link where you might find the answer. I was looking for the equivelant of a County Forester, but couldn't find one. These people should be able to answer your question if anyone could because the set their own rules for the State as well as follow Federal law. The main Division of Forestry link ishttp://www.dem.ri.gov/programs/bnatres/forest/index.htmand will allow you to find some of the other departments in the division.
We have actually had people from the program make posts here in reference to EAB. Searching for EAB should find it. I'll go look. There hasn't been too much lately, I think because the beetle got out of the bag.
The industry should be aware if they're in a quarantined area, and what species are affected. We freely transport veneer quality logs from PA to Canada (their trucks), NY, IN, OH, and SC. We aren't in a quarantine area for EAB but are for gypsy moth. There are no restrictions or inspections by government on industry. So, the bugs are going to be transported by us if they're there.QuoteRon's response above is one of the issues that surfaces from state to state. There is a federal law that is administered by USDA APHIS that prohibits the transport of materials from a quarantine area. USDA does not enforce these regulations in a consistent manner. I am in a gypsy moth quarantine area. Green forest products are supposed to be inspected and certified to be pest free before leaving a quarantine area. We ship product south and about 10 years ago we had a truck stopped as it entered North Carolina. It did not have the appropriate documentation for gypsy moth inspection. The truck was impounded. To that point, there had been no enforcement of the law and in reality, no knowledge of the law. It all changed with that impoundment. Now, all of our loggers are trained in gypsy moth inspections. Each load headed out of the quarantine area has an inspection certificate. In our global economy, we have to do something to stop the transportation of forest pests. Dutch elm disease, chestnut blight, Sirex wood wasp, EAB, hemlock wooly adelgid, gypsy moth, fire ants.....these are just a few pests that have had devastating effects on the landscape. We can't afford to wipe out or forests; at the rate we are going, only sweetgum will be left in another hundred years.Wudman
Ron's response above is one of the issues that surfaces from state to state. There is a federal law that is administered by USDA APHIS that prohibits the transport of materials from a quarantine area. USDA does not enforce these regulations in a consistent manner. I am in a gypsy moth quarantine area. Green forest products are supposed to be inspected and certified to be pest free before leaving a quarantine area. We ship product south and about 10 years ago we had a truck stopped as it entered North Carolina. It did not have the appropriate documentation for gypsy moth inspection. The truck was impounded. To that point, there had been no enforcement of the law and in reality, no knowledge of the law. It all changed with that impoundment. Now, all of our loggers are trained in gypsy moth inspections. Each load headed out of the quarantine area has an inspection certificate. In our global economy, we have to do something to stop the transportation of forest pests. Dutch elm disease, chestnut blight, Sirex wood wasp, EAB, hemlock wooly adelgid, gypsy moth, fire ants.....these are just a few pests that have had devastating effects on the landscape. We can't afford to wipe out or forests; at the rate we are going, only sweetgum will be left in another hundred years.Wudman
Quote from: Ron Wenrich on December 16, 2009, 06:18:19 pmThe industry should be aware if they're in a quarantined area, and what species are affected. We freely transport veneer quality logs from PA to Canada (their trucks), NY, IN, OH, and SC. We aren't in a quarantine area for EAB but are for gypsy moth. There are no restrictions or inspections by government on industry. So, the bugs are going to be transported by us if they're there.QuoteRon's response above is one of the issues that surfaces from state to state. There is a federal law that is administered by USDA APHIS that prohibits the transport of materials from a quarantine area. USDA does not enforce these regulations in a consistent manner. I am in a gypsy moth quarantine area. Green forest products are supposed to be inspected and certified to be pest free before leaving a quarantine area. We ship product south and about 10 years ago we had a truck stopped as it entered North Carolina. It did not have the appropriate documentation for gypsy moth inspection. The truck was impounded. To that point, there had been no enforcement of the law and in reality, no knowledge of the law. It all changed with that impoundment. Now, all of our loggers are trained in gypsy moth inspections. Each load headed out of the quarantine area has an inspection certificate. In our global economy, we have to do something to stop the transportation of forest pests. Dutch elm disease, chestnut blight, Sirex wood wasp, EAB, hemlock wooly adelgid, gypsy moth, fire ants.....these are just a few pests that have had devastating effects on the landscape. We can't afford to wipe out or forests; at the rate we are going, only sweetgum will be left in another hundred years.WudmanI am glad to see that we all are doing are part , to help stop the spread of these and all pests that are destroying timber . I was wondering if the government was going to start spraying for the EAB , as they did in the 1970's for gypsy moth. I can't remember if they were state by state regulated or not . I guess we are all on the same page about these problems , I would like to hear from some other people in different state to see what is being done at a state level for pest control in forestry . I have gotten some very good responcses . Thanks Scott
The industry should be aware if they're in a quarantined area, and what species are affected. We freely transport veneer quality logs from PA to Canada (their trucks), NY, IN, OH, and SC. We aren't in a quarantine area for EAB but are for gypsy moth. There are no restrictions or inspections by government on industry. So, the bugs are going to be transported by us if they're there.QuoteRon's response above is one of the issues that surfaces from state to state. There is a federal law that is administered by USDA APHIS that prohibits the transport of materials from a quarantine area. USDA does not enforce these regulations in a consistent manner. I am in a gypsy moth quarantine area. Green forest products are supposed to be inspected and certified to be pest free before leaving a quarantine area. We ship product south and about 10 years ago we had a truck stopped as it entered North Carolina. It did not have the appropriate documentation for gypsy moth inspection. The truck was impounded. To that point, there had been no enforcement of the law and in reality, no knowledge of the law. It all changed with that impoundment. Now, all of our loggers are trained in gypsy moth inspections. Each load headed out of the quarantine area has an inspection certificate. In our global economy, we have to do something to stop the transportation of forest pests. Dutch elm disease, chestnut blight, Sirex wood wasp, EAB, hemlock wooly adelgid, gypsy moth, fire ants.....these are just a few pests that have had devastating effects on the landscape. We can't afford to wipe out or forests; at the rate we are going, only sweetgum will be left in another hundred years.WudmanI am glad to see that we all are doing are part , to help stop the spread of these and all pests that are destroying timber . I was wondering if the government was going to start spraying for the EAB , as they did in the 1970's for gypsy moth. I can't remember if they were state by state regulated or not . I guess we are all on the same page about these problems , I would like to hear from some other people in different state to see what is being done at a state level for pest control in forestry . I have gotten some very good responcses . Thanks Scott
i see what u mean but a valid point is that green log length firewood should be treated a any other green log or pulp wood if i understand it right after a few diffrent searches then i assume they r talking about dry firewood not in log length if i am mistaken please correct me but its a weird law that u can ship green logs and pulp wood but not fire wood
I suspect one of the many reasons for not restricting log movement is because of the many problems it would cause and the uproar from the pulp wood loggers as well as the hardwood loggers. In many parts of the border between MN and WI both pulp and hardwood logs move freely back and forth. So it would not be practical to regulate that movement. Plus the Dept of Agriculture is responsible for pest control and the MN DNR somewhat controls the movement of logs.But the bottom line reason just may be seen in the MN DNR's response to EAB being found in Houston County, MN and in the Twin City metro area. The Headlines said "well the inevitable happened." So that fatalistic response probably tells the story, they can only slow the spread of EAB down, but not stop it. Plus those two locations are where there is little to no log movement, but plenty of firewood movement.But the restrictions on movement will surely cause some hardship for loggers once EAB is discovered in your county. I know one logger in Houston County that has a large DNR timber sale with a lot of Ash and low grade trees that he bought before the discovery. Now he cannot move that wood out of the county or across the river where much of his market exists. So he may just have to forfet that sale because he has no where to go with that wood.
Who does your inspections? Our exports are done by the USDA, and there is a fee charged. And, you have to wait until they can fit you in their schedule. I believe there is no inspection needed if you are moving your logs within the quarantine zone.I found this list of things to be inspected on the Wisconsin website: * Logs, posts, pulpwood, bark and bark products * Nursery stock * Christmas trees * Outdoor Household Articles (OHAs) * Mobile homes and associated itemsI wonder how many of those get inspected.
Firewood is THE major reason EAB is moved around.
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