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I guess its just one of those things " you should of been there to find out the reason why".
Quote from: mrnero on November 17, 2009, 08:24:33 pmI guess its just one of those things " you should of been there to find out the reason why".Hopefully those reasons stay on the right coast and don't migrate. I'm also still looking for a logical reason as to how these new regulations will help?
Well, these new regulations shouldn't effect you or help you at all in MI. If I'm not mistaken, these new regulations will only help the NH land owners. Sorry.
mrnero, I should not need to remind you that this is not an exclusive forum to NH. We all have a stake in what effects our forests.Jeff BrokawHarrison MICHIGANForestry Forum Founder.
Most of us native NH folk understand that another expensive law or regulation won't help our timber industry or our state as a whole.
Big government isn't welcomed by anybody that's been here for a while, it's always the transplants.
mrnero, With all due respect, from your ramblings it is apparent you don't have an even basic understanding of the legal principals involved with the elements of negligence or recklessness. It is far too complicated to explain in this forum. However, cutting wood on the property of another without permission, regardless of where you thought the property line is, is a prosecutable offense under the current NH law. If you don't believe that call a NH Forest Ranger and ask him.
................... just because you have the right to an opinion doesn't mean the opinion is right.......................
The dictionary definition doesn't mean much of anything when you are talking about legal issues. You need to refer to case law and study the precedents. While probably few, if any who have commented here are lawyers, I'm sure some of them are familiar with how things have been applied in their state, since many have had to deal with it first hand.As far as getting back on subject, wasn't it you, mrnero who first got us off the subject of stream crossings and onto timber theft/trespass?
Quote from: ljmathias on December 04, 2009, 07:35:30 am................... just because you have the right to an opinion doesn't mean the opinion is right.......................That is a quote I'd like to remember and keep in mind. Well said (IMO )
Could you please find in the written law where is says forestry practices are exempt?Chech with Black_Bear, its his orginal topic. " forestry is currently exempt from the standard dredge permits....DES wants to change all that.. so forestry will comply with the new stream / brook crossing rule. How do you interpret this rulling ??[Black_Bear Full Member x2 OfflineGender: Age: 38Location: VT, NH, MEMy Photos: Go to my Photo GalleryPosts: 134 ATTN: NH Foresters and Loggers « on: November 07, 2009, 09:43:38 AM » --------------------------------------------------------------------------------This is in regards to the new stream crossing rules currently being discussed in Concord. Forestry is currently exempt from the standard dredge permits, but NH DES wants to change all that. There are two public meetings scheduled to discuss this issue. One meeting is Monday November 9th at the Co-Op Extension in Lancaster and the other meeting is Tuesday November 10th at the Pease Public Library in Plymouth. Both meetings start at 6PM.If this rule passes as written it would require forestry activities to apply for and obtain standard dredge permits: From Jasen Stock of NHTOA: Crossings where the brook drains more than 200 acres = standard dredge minor permit (these cost approx. $5k) – closed bottom culverts need to be buried 50%Crossings where the brook drains more than 640 acres = standard dredge major permit (these cost well over $5k) – closed bott /quote]
True, thats all most simular to another phrase that I heardIts hard for me to know anything, when you think you know everything.
To clarify the original post, forestry related activities in NH aren't technically "exempt" from the dredge and fill rules. Basically, if you want to use a crossing you must file a "forest management or timber harvest activities having minimum wetlands impact" application, which costs $25. When you submit this application you must include a map showing the proposed crossing locations and what type of crossings they will be (i.e. pole ford, culvert,etc.). The applicant also agrees to adhere to NH BMP's - it is mandatory and failure to do so will get you an automatic violation. This notification process allows NH DES to monitor the locations of the crossings and also allows the activities to proceed without the delay of waiting for a permit. As far as current enforcement goes, the NH Rangers are very active and, as far as I know, they attempt to visit every job. NH Rangers have visited my jobs on numerous occasions this summer. They are very fair and understanding of a typical logging job, but from what I hear they are not afraid to hit your pocketbook if they find a wetlands violation.Ed
