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Do you get re-emburst form your homeowners policy, auto policies; workmans comp; healty insurance and etc if there is no annual claims/losses???
Then I think this will make "my group of people " happy.
QuoteDo you get re-emburst form your homeowners policy, auto policies; workmans comp; healty insurance and etc if there is no annual claims/losses???Absolutely. Here is one of the largest loggers self-insurance funds around, from here in Michigan.http://www.matsif.com/refund.shtmlAnswer: You are missing my point. If the sloppy fly by night loggers dont apply for loggers self-insurance insurance and or don't pay the premiums to "logger self-insurance", does the logger self-insurance company still pay benefits to the insured, even though there is no insurance policy or no insurance premiums been paid ?? I didn't think so. Next someone will be telling me that logger self-insurance will even pay benefits on cancelled insurance policies. The more you talk about things in which you have little knowledge or personal experience about, the less regard you will garner for your comments in this case. As a bit of friendly advice, before posting, do a little research first and learn for yourself about some things. Your peers ain't always right. I totally will agree with your last post. You are a Forestry Forum member and you have the right to your opinions. Even if we disagree. You are more then welcome here as are your ideas. "Woodmills was out of line with that comment". Maybe; but he did post it and I answered it.
Quote from: mrnero on December 11, 2009, 03:22:24 pmThen I think this will make "my group of people " happy. Does "your group of people" have any formal education in environmental policy? Forestry? Wetland ecology? Natural resources at all? Answer; I say my group has more knowledge than you do on enviromental damage issues to abuting property owners. My so called "group of people" that you state are abutting victims of enviromental damage done by previous wetland harvesting. That alone is just cause for more protecting to abutting land owners for sloppy logging and poor forestry management.I still keep thinking of small landowners who should be able to harvest the land like everybody else. A 5k permit will not allow them to harvest their land due to economical feasibility. ANswer;This regulation only pertains to NH "wetland" harvesting. If you are a small landowner which tends to hasrvest logs on dry land, I dont believe this regulation (5K) apply. I posted this before, what part of "wetland logging) dont you understand ?? Case and point I setup a small timber sale on 10 acres that required a culvert to be placed in for access. If I would have had to spend 5k of the landowners money to get the permit for the culvert, let alone the cost of the actual culvert, fill and rip rap, the sale would not have sold as the landowner would have had to pay to get it harvested. This stand was in dire need of a sale as it was overstocked starting to have a negative growth curve and in generally poor health. Answer, You are sounding more and more like a used car salemen. So your "group of people" would exclude those landowners from management. Answer;If wetland logging is in NH you pay for the permit for proper wetland logging management operations to protect abutting property owners. What part of that dont you understand ??
OK Mrnero, you are beginning to go over the line with all of this "What part of that don't you understand ??" if you want to discuss things intelligently that's fine. If you want to do it completely emotionally and without thought, stop now. You are starting to sound like the typical extreme environmentalists whose arguments take on water when confronted with valid counterpoints. The counterpoint here is that you are wanting to impose a penalty on loggers for the actions perpetrated by pretend loggers. You said it yourself with the 15 dollar chainsaw lumberjack comments that these were not professionals.
any stream crossing would be considered a wetland crossing.as it is now a temporary crossing for timber removal files a form that pledges the logger to best mangment practices.the 5000 dollar pemit is now required when work is done with in the wetlands or buffer area to say build a road for a subdivision, which in my estimation is a whole nother animal than a temporary crossing.as a side note nero your posts would be much easier to read if you would keep the quotes from others in the blue shaded area and your responses in white
For the past 15 years or so, the fly by night donkies, that called themselves harvesting loggers or what never, went out an purchased used ($15.00) chain saws and called themselves lumberjacks and didn't have a clue of what they were doing.
We don't have small time loggers in this region.
Answer; I say my group has more knowledge than you do on enviromental damage issues to abuting property owners.
What I don't agree with is the concept that a $5000 permit fee for everyone logging in a wetland area will do anything to stop this.
mrnero, do you know why you have 2 ears and 1 mouth? god wants you to listen twice as much as you speak! correct me if i'm wrong but, you aren't even the landowner that was "abutted " to the land that was logged it is your parents land correct? i don'y know what a villa is but, i'll assume it's a "cabin" which means your parents don't live in n.h. either. having said this why don't they sell the "villa" and stay in mass. if i could i would trade you all your "fly by nite loggers" for all our timber wolfs, seams to me the wolf would be safer in your backyard than mine, thanks to your group of people wanting to protect them, that makes as much sense. we should protect the common crimnal because they are so cute.
Quote from: mrnero on December 11, 2009, 04:37:38 pmAnswer; I say my group has more knowledge than you do on enviromental damage issues to abuting property owners. So no formal education in environmental related fields, that is what I gathered from reading. I understand your point, you are mad because of one bad apple that "degraded" your wetland. You should do some research on how similar permits and actions have tried to solve these issues, and not been sucessful. An absurd permit fee will force the people who want to follow the rules (the good apples) to go out of business because 5k is a huge hit to income with the way markets are now. The "fly by nighters" will come in and file no permit tear up the land and be gone with no forwarding address. So who will you charge with the damage? The company that did the logging will be dissolved and bankrupt before it even goes to court, and then be back in business a week later with somebody elses name on the business card. Trust me I've seen it happen a few times.
How can we make you understand that there is a difference between the people you NEED to find a way to not just regulate, but put out of business, and the honest hard working conscientious people that you ultimately hurt with the regulations that will actually go out of business because of the senselessness of others.? The fine or permit fee or what ever you want to call it will never stop those that have disregard for our environment. The type of people that you and your family are so angered about. I would be angry too. They will still go in and cause destruction and chaos and be gone leaving people like you wanting to take even more retribution on any one that is handy. [/quoteJeff, I'm not angry to the previous enviomental damage that was caused to my parents land back in the 90"s. I just want to make sure it dont happen again to me or to other property land owners. Currently, NH land owners are still not protected from abutting harvesting operations that causes and creates enviromental damage runoff onto their property. This is a " picture perfect " example why newer harvsting wetland logging regulations is needed in NH. Again, you have to be a victim of enviromental damage runoff to understand. If this regulation does become law, then the abutting property owners has won from future enviomental damage caused by responsiable logging parties.
