What kind of leaf is this?

[fishpharmer]

No thats not bigfoot.    Its me taking a picture of my shadow holding a leaf.  Fell from the tree holding my shadow.

What is it?

[beenthere]

First blush, chinkapin oak ?

[fishpharmer]

Its oak,not sure which one.

[Tom]

I'm a guessin' it's a Swamp Chestnut Oak.

[DanG]

That's a Notsweetgum tree if I ever seen one!

[pigman]

The color of the leaf looks like black oak, but the shape is not correct.

[Dodgy Loner]

Guess 1: chinquapin oak (Quercus mulhenbergii)
Guess 2: swamp chestnut oak (Quercus michauxii)

[WDH]

Given your location in Meridian, MS, it is swamp chestnut oak like Mr. Tom said  .  Nice shadow, by the way  .

[fishpharmer]

Thanks for the help.

I'm a guessin' it's a Swamp Chestnut Oak.

I think your right. I appreciate everyone verifying this for me.  Here is more evidence.
Thanks everyone.



This tree has some huge acorns. I am going to try planting some.  If I don't pick some acorns up first thing in the morning the deer and squirrels get them.  It was full of acorns and most have fallen yet very few are on the ground.

[Tom]

Those acorns need to be planted right away.

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[fishpharmer]

Great info.  Thanks again.

[WDH]

Another common name for this tree is Cow Oak since the cows love those huge acorns.  If one of those (acorns, no, not a cow!) fell from the tree and hit you on the head, it would make a knot for sure! 

We Southerners are blessed with a whack of oaks, but none have acorns like the good old Cow Oak.

[fishpharmer]

Thanks WDH, never heard it called that.  My cows aren't on low land where the tree is located.

To me it seems  like these trees hang out with the water oaks on low ground. Except I see alot of water oaks on high ground.  No cow oaks on high ground.

Them cow oaks make a fellas shadow look big too, kinda like a circus mirror

[WDH]

Shadow or not, that is a good sized cow oak. 

Somewhere I have a picture of the Georgia State Champion Cow Oak that Dodgy Loner and I found one New Year's day if y'all would like to see it.

[fishpharmer]

Can't speak for everyone......but I would love to see it.

[WDH]

It is about 6 feet in diameter and 132 feet tall. 

 



Photo courtesy of Dodgy Loner  .

[fishpharmer]

WOW!  Thats impressive.

How old do you figure that tree ?

[WDH]

Maybe 80 years old.

[fishpharmer]

Really, only 80.  Not sure why I figured older. 

So does that make swamp chestnut oaks relatively fast growing for the oak family?

[WDH]

Yes, they can grow fast on a good site.  The area where this tree was found was last logged about 60 years ago and this tree was one of the few larger trees that was left.  So, it had a real advantage over the other trees.  They are about 60 years old now, but there are a few really big trees scattered out over the bottom.  The champion shumard oak was in this same bottom, but it blew over in a storm about 2 years ago.  The champion southern shagbark hickory is also here. 

[fishpharmer]

Too bad about the shumard.  Did Dodgy saw it up?

And thanks for the education.  I might try to get some
started on the sight I told you about.  It already has water oak.  Do they like same type site?

[WDH]

Yes, swamp chestnut should do fine on your site.

Here is the champion shumard after the storm.  It was 141 feet tall, and being so dominant in the canopy, the crown acted like a sail.  Unfortunately, there was no way we could get this log out of the bottom without a really big skidder.

 

[fishpharmer]

That is a shurnuff whopper.

Makes a fella want a Lucas or Peterson.

[Tom]

Unfortunately, there was no way we could get this log out of the bottom without a really big skidder.

Think Portable Sawmills, Danny. 

An Alaskan would go in there and so would a Peterson or Lucas, if someone want the lumber bad enough.

[WDH]

And if somebody wanted to tote boards a quarter of a mile thru that swamp  .  I guess that you just have to want it real bad, right . 

[Tom]

That's how Fla_Deadheader does it, down there on that Costa Rica Island. 

Hmmmm    Jim King in Peru too. 

[fishpharmer]

Sounds like a good excuse for an FF getogether.

[WDH]

One reason that shumard got so big is that it is inaccessable.   If it was easy, somebody would have gotten it years before, probably.  Also, it is in a Wildlife Management Area.  My Company used to own this area and lease it to the State of Georgia, and while the Company owned the land, I could have salvaged the log.  Alas, the property was sold to some speculators/investors in 2004 before the big shumard blew over.  They would not take too kindly to a human chain of board toters conveying boards through the swamp  .

But, all that aside, it was a magnificant tree.  There is another one about 100 yards down the bottom that is almost as big, but it falls a few points short of being a champion  .  Hardwood trees that are 140 feet tall are rare and special.  Yellow poplar in the mountain coves can attain that height, but to see it in an oak is awesome.

[ncsuclell]

Given your location in Meridian, MS, it is swamp chestnut oak like Mr. Tom said  .  Nice shadow, by the way  .

Since the photo looks as if it's on a hill, it could possiblly be Chestnut oak (Quercus montana).  I remeber from my studies that it looks very similar to its Swamp cousin.

[WDH]

Those big golf ball sized acorns give it away.  Chestnut oak does not have an acorn that will put a knot on your head .

[fishpharmer]

ncsu, although it may look like its on a hill.  It is growing on floodplain land.  Every time we get a good rain its feet stay soaked for a day or so.  Actually the roadway behind it is on an elevated levee.

[climbncut]

Maybe 80 years old.

If that tree is only 80yrs old, then the growth rings would be 2-3 inches wide. It would surprise me if the tree was only 100yrs old. I've never seen a tree with that large of rings...not even pin oak.

[SwampDonkey]

When we talk cows and tree in the same sentence it usually refers to "cow shade spruce tree" and not the acorns. But, alas, white spruce don't have acorns.

[WDH]

Maybe 80 years old.

If that tree is only 80yrs old, then the growth rings would be 2-3 inches wide. It would surprise me if the tree was only 100yrs old. I've never seen a tree with that large of rings...not even pin oak.

The diameter of the Champion was 69", a shade less than 6 feet.  It was 131 feet tall.  If the tree is 80 years old, then the average diameter growth would be .86" per year.  That would equate to growth rings that averaged .43" per year on each side, a little less than 1/2" of radial growth per year.  That is within the realm of reason. 

However, we don't know the actual age, but I have seen oaks on pampered sites that had growth rings of 1/2" per year.   But to your point, it could be older.  On that site, I could not imagine it being over 100 years old, though.

Just think that if it was in Texas it would be even bigger since everything is bigger in Texas    .

[Tom]

Contrary to trees that grow in New Brunswick, the South has some prime opportunities for trees to reach great heights, as well as large diameters.  Swamps and Hammocks, already inhabited with species of trees that reach great heights, like Cypress and Pine, will have saplings of their offspring reaching for sunlight through their already mature parents.

We have long growing seasons, plenty of sunlight, rich ground, plenty of water and, until recently, areas of undisturbed acreage.

Also, contrary to the general consensus that we rape forests, the south is full of agricultural people who appreciate the size and health of their trees.

I've seen Loblolly pine with growth rings greater than one inch.  That's two inches of diameter a year, or more.

[SwampDonkey]

Contrary to trees that grow in New Brunswick Central Kentucky, the South has some prime opportunities for trees to reach great heights, as well as large diameters.

Tom Tom. Far be it for me to doubt anyone with experience in the south. I think you was referring to someone else in the thread.

Now getting down to diameter growth, our fastest grown native tree is large tooth aspen. I seen it grow in groves following a cut and reached 8" dbh in 13 years and 45-50 feet tall. Should grow more of it, it's worth as much as hardwood, sometimes more. It never grows in pure stands here, just little pockets or mixed in trembling aspen, but usually on the best sites. Trembling will grow on swamps as well as dry high ground.

[Tom]

Oops!  Yer right!     Here's your chain back.