All electric car - model 60/60?

[Bibbyman]

http://www.reservemyanvil.com/

I was listening to the radio last Friday when I heard they were having an open house in Mexico, Mo. for a new electric car.  Our Senator Kit Bond was going to be there.  Well, we missed it.  But I did note that the golf cart place west of Mexico was going to be the dealer for the new Anvil. 

Mary was interested in going someplace and doing something.  She didn't know what but later in the morning she decided we should go up and look at the new Anvil.  We went up but didn't look at one as they only and a prototype at the announcement.

We did get a brochure and talked to the sales guy.  He said they had 40 on order and 40 sold.  Said they’d start coming in in a month or so. 

The vehicle was little more than a golf cart with a few details to make it street legal any places posted to a speed limit 35mph. 

Mary didn’t get the price of the Anvil.  I thought she did.  But they had another brand there that was also street legal.  It was not as “fancy”.  It costs over $11,000 but had a $4500 tax credit. I would guess the Anvil would be higher.  It came with a $5,000 tax credit.

We talked about the Anvil on our way to Wal-Mart.  Mary noted that the $5000 was a tax credit.  And if you did not owe $5000 in taxes, it wouldn’t do you any good.  Well, it would apply to taxes you owed I guess. 

[fishpharmer]

Bibbyman, thanks for sharing that.  I kinda like the Anvil.  It has "jeepish" lines to my eye.  And the performance numbers look acceptable.  Wonder if it can be enclosed?  Most probably doesn't have climate control.   I could suffer thru that if was inexpensive enough to own and operate.

 It seems like the production EV's are outrageously priced. 

This http://www.phoenixmotorcars.com/vehicles/phoenix-sut.php is one of the most impressive to me.  Has all the bells and whistles.  I believe its in the $45,000 range.  To rich for me. 

I have an old toyota truck that I would like to build something like this,  http://www.housebun.org/bob/ev.html   more my price range.   

What do ya'll think?

[moonhill]

I think the S-10 would be too heavy for the set up it has, is my initial guess. 

The Phoenix weighs 4,820 pounds and can carry an extra 1000 pounds.  I wonder how long or many miles the battery pack will go and its cost replacement value?  It is no golf cart, it travels at 60 mph and can go 100 miles on a 10 minute charge.  And the cost, you can dump that much into a fancy Ford.  They are getting there.

Tim 

[olyman]

 It had a little 3 cylinder diesel engine.  I believe the market killed that car.
Mark

   
[/quote] tho old post--it was a 4 cyl diesel. also, breaking rubber timing belts, and dealer not telling new owners when to replace belts, is what killed the ford dsl-- owned four diff ones

[Bill]

Warning - this may just be a rant in disguise -

I know the thread is about electric but I want to throw in a plug for biodiesel.

I picked up a used stick shift vw diesel 4 yrs back - car is now 8 yrs old w/125,000 miles. This past spring I drove down to FL and back. Mostly got 51-53 mpg cruising high 65+ with some local driving mixed in . However coming back from FL I got to make a straight run thru GA, SC and into NC at a steady 70 ( the speed limit there and with a/c sometimes on sometimes off ) and got a solid 57 mpg. Next tank was mixed driving at 51-53 mpg so no short fillup to muck up the mpg's. 

So I'm thinking when the truck(s) are too much that little diesel ain't so bad after all and will hold her own with most - 42-44 around town and new record high of 57 mpg on the highway  . . .

Course some'll say the pollution is worse than a gas or hybrid or plugin or  . . .  What they're not saying is that gas and such have micro particulates that are worse for you than the particulates in diesel, voc's that diesel just doesn't have ( things like benzene and more ), etc etc - in short whether it comes from gas, NG or off the grid - they mostly still use fossil fuels to make the electric - which makes all the pollution they're complaining about . I 'd just as soon see us push biodiesel - technology is here now and works  -  while we wait for a solar powered ( photovoltaic cells ) car that 's reasonable . Gossip is that Europe pushes diesel and is saving one and a half million barrels of oil per day - even if gossip - a pretty big number .

Least thats my two cents . . . .   maybe less


"The use of vegetable oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today but such oils may become in the course of time as important as the petroleum and coal tar products of the present time" - Rudolph Diesel. 1912  ( he wanted to free the farmer from an energy monopoly according to legend )

[moonhill]

VW has the hybrid on the right track.  240 mpg and at 100mph it hit a brick wall it drops the milage to 170 mpg, too bad.   

http://autos.yahoo.com/auto-shows/frankfurt_auto_show_2009/1106/Volkswagen-L1-Concept;_ylc=X3oDMTE2djM5NjIyBF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEc2VjA2ZwLXRvZGF5BHNsawN2d19jb25jZXB0

Tim

[Ianab]

Another new Hybrid prototype, from BMW this time.

Hybrids dont have to be boring.

1.5l diesel engine, top speed is computer limited to 150mph, 0-60mph time is 4.8 secs 

Can drive on electric only and recharge from the mains, diesel only, or as a normal hybrid.

Can get 70mpg, and drive 30 miles on battery alone, although maybe not if you are doing top speed 

It shows what the car companies can produce, now they just have to produce it so we can afford it.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10597413
http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/bmw-vision-efficient-dynamics-concept-2009-09-01

Ian