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« on: July 21, 2009, 07:01:32 AM »
I came accross this tree in the middle of one of my regen openings.
What do you think it is? 

 





Sorry about the quality of the pics.  I had to fight my way through a lot of raspberry cains to get next to it.
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2009, 09:20:22 AM »
It looks like a variety of formosa to me. 
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2009, 09:37:23 AM »
Locust ?
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2009, 06:49:50 PM »
Elm?
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2009, 09:02:02 PM »
Like Lee said, very elmy to me.  Feels winged elmy Smiley.
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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2009, 04:47:38 AM »
Seems like elm with the unsymmetrical leaf base and the bark. I'm guessing American elm, they will grow anywhere around damp ground in the woods. Funny though, I never see it deep in the woods where we are cutting brush, mostly in the river valleys and settlements.
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2009, 09:48:56 AM »
SD, WDH and I will go for an elm hat trick, as I will go with slippery elm. Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2009, 11:23:35 AM »
Hmmm.....

Would you possibly consider Ailanthus? 
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2009, 12:56:39 PM »
No, the prominent parallel lateral veins rule out ailanthus, as does the furrowed bark (ailanthus bark would be smooth). Those definitely appear to be simple leaves, rather than compound. Notice the smaller, thinner leaves near the growing tip, which indicates that that is a growing branch tip, and not the end of a compound leaf.
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2009, 05:19:59 PM »
You could be right on the actual species Dodgy, the leaf spacing along that stem is too tight and the base of the leaves are not typical for American but still asymmetrical. Bark sure looks American.  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2009, 06:18:46 PM »
You guys are more analytical than me when it comes to identifying trees, my first thought after viewing the pics and considering OWW home turf was Black Walnut. I can see what DL is saying about the leaves and if it is an elm I’d lean more toward Winged Elm. But I’ll leave it the experts to hand down a final decision. Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2009, 07:13:05 PM »
I'm not sure on this with pic above, bark looks to be elm, but the stems appear to have too many leafs.  I will have to look MORE to make any thoughts clear...   Didnt sleep well at all. over worked yesterday...
 
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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2009, 07:17:44 PM »
It is definitely not a compound leaf.  American elm will have a relatively smooth leaf (if you lick it with your tongue.  DonK is a wood licker, so he may be able to give some licking pointers Grin).  If it is rough, it is most likely winged elm or slippery elm.  Slippery elm is very very rough to the tongue.  The bark looks winged, but the leaves look slippery Smiley.   Elm you ever to lick one of those leaves, tell us about it  Ya dats a good one!.
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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2009, 07:37:25 PM »
So, set a piece on fire and give it a french kiss and get back to us.   Ya dats a good one!
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2009, 07:49:40 PM »
And, be sure to take pics of the whole procedure Grin.
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« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2009, 03:51:13 AM »
How come we never had Dendro TA's in college like WDH and Roxie?  Ya dats a good one! Ya dats a good one!
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« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2009, 11:07:47 AM »
Good conversation  Smiley

Just to keep it going.  Aren't the leaves a bit large for elm and perhaps the wrong shape? 
The leaves on the end do appear to be elm-like but the others are quite large 6-8" and fat all the way to the tip (unscientific term warning).
Juvenile leaves?

Danny and Roxie, do you really want me to fight my way through that thorny thicket again to kiss a tree? 
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« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2009, 11:19:48 AM »
I'll answer that for them; Yes they do! Grin Ya dats a good one! Ya dats a good one!

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« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2009, 01:28:00 PM »
Thank you DanG.  Well said!   Just a doin da Forestry Forum Boogie
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« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2009, 09:43:54 PM »
After you are done licking, check the leaf bases to see if they are inequilateral.
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