ID help needed

[thedeeredude]

I always try and figure out what kind of trees I see every day at work but I'm stumped on this one.  The needles are in groups of 2.

 

[sprucebunny]

Red pine or maybe jack pine.

[Sprucegum]

Jackpine should have more curl in the cone. I have never seen a Red pine so I will suggest Scotch pine 

[fishpharmer]

Kinda looks like what I used to call Virginia Pine.

[Gary_C]

Scotch Pine is a pretty good guess.

[WDH]

I am in the Sprucebunny red pine camp.

[Sprucegum]

If its a camp for pine addicts I'll stick with the Scotch 

[WDH]

Too bad it is not bourbon pine  .  OWW is an expert on Scotch pine.  He showed me a rather fine specimen at the last Pig Roast  .

[Gary_C]

It's difficult to tell between Scotch and Red  from the pictures and lack of scale. Red pine will have longer needles but it's hard to see lengths in those pictures. Show a picture of the tree and I'll know more.

[OneWithWood]

Of course there are many, many subtle differences in the Scotch units.  Often different samples from different times will demonstrate different tendencies to discriminating palates,
WDH, we have much studying to do 

[WDH]

You are right!  Maybe some research at the next Pig Roast .

[thedeeredude]

I can't get a picture of the tree but the bark is gray, absolutely no orange-red color to it.  I kinda figured it wasn't red or scotch pine because of that but I really don't know.  Needles are a little over 5 inches long. 

[Gary_C]

If you don't see the orange color under the scaly bark, then it probably is Johnny Walker Red, er no that would be Norway (Red) Pine, Pinus Resinosa. Look at the last picture in this post for Red Pine.

http://www.forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,36407.20.html

But even then the Red Pine in that picture is row planted and not open grown. Sometimes different looks depending on where it is planted.

Red Pine bark is normally more brown than grey, so it could still be another species.

[SwampDonkey]

Looks like red pine, must be from a suppressed branch. Buds look a little smallish. The buds on red pine are usually quite large/long. Cone looks right. On Scots the end of the cone scale looks diamond shaped, not pictured there. Virginia has sharp pointed cone scales (umbo is it called?), and pitch pine have needles in 3's and pointy cone scales to.

[thedeeredude]

I saw on the virginia tech dendrology site there is also a japanese red pine.  It says older trees bark becomes gray and platy which does fit the bill.

[SwampDonkey]

There is something about the needles to in your pictures, they don't look meaty enough. Red pine needles are thicker than white pine needles. White pine needles are angular and red pine is like you took a stick and split it down the middle, so on the cross section it looks like half a pie.

[bitternut]

I have planted quite a few Austrian Pine and they look quite a bit like the pictures posted by deeredude so that is my guess.

[SwampDonkey]

Maybe, but their cones have armed umbos. This cone pictured don't.