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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2009, 07:09:10 PM »
It's been mentioned already, but winch most winches are rated for rolling weight, like a vehicle.  I have a 9,000 lb. winch on my trailer, just drag them up the back, and I gotta use a snatch block on the big'uns.

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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2009, 01:41:52 AM »
Search for DanG-DeadHeader log lifter here on the forum.
Alright dan explain how this contraption works ?

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SCSawyer, the one pictured was built and owned by Getoverit.  He built his as an A frame, which seems to work pretty well.  The principle is simple.  The arch is hinged at the bottom, and you simply lower it by reversing the winch, which is attached to the top.  Once you've lowered it an appropriate amount, which will be obvious, you simply attach the end of the log to the top, via a chain or cable, and winch it forward.  As it moves forward, the top of the arch also gets higher, which lifts the end of the log onto the trailer.  At that point, you can either lower it and reattach the log further back, or simply hook the winch directly to the log and drag it aboard.  It works really good on a trailer that is low, with rails or wheels that are higher than the bed.  I used a 10,500lb Milemarker hydraulic winch on mine.  Getoverit had a 8000lb Harbor Freight electric on his and it worked well too.
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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2009, 06:49:36 AM »
Si,electric winches are quick and easy but have kinda severe duty cycle limits and will bring a battery to its knees fast.What I did was get a commercial grade electric winch with a burned out motor [common]and mounted a hydraulic motor in its place,unlimited duty cycle,easy control.If you have any way to get hyd. give it some thought.Junk yards seem to always have big old pto winches around too hard for the average person to hook up.A real winch small gas engine and alot of cable, yard and load.Frank C.
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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2009, 08:35:22 PM »
Thanks guys for the info.
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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2009, 10:06:50 PM »
I mounted a master disconnect switch in my engine compartment, and hooked it up to the battery with some 2/0 welding cable, then ran the same 2/0 cable from the switch to the back of the truck along the frame.  Used a connector I got at a welding shop to hook up the cable to the winch that's mounted on the trailer.  I also have to hook up the ground cable on the winch to the bumper of the truck.  Let the truck run when I'm winching logs.  Never had any ill effects to the truck or battery.

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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2009, 09:32:50 AM »
I have a 10,000 lb harbor freight winch mounted in back of my truck. Made a bracket to take the place of my 5th wheel setup. I use a homemade arch that probably cost about $400 use a snatchblock on the arch and pick the logs up one end at a time. I hauled a white oak log that was 34" in diameter and 20ft long had no problem picking it up and bringing it home. Just a thought instead of a trailer for logs that are close and to move them around the mill area. If you dont have a big operation. I am just cutting for myself and a few of my friends. I have been retired for 4 years . Love to saw but don't want to get in a hurry like to take my time if I don't saw but 1 log a day.
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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2009, 02:41:08 PM »
Love to saw but don't want to get in a hurry like to take my time if I don't saw but 1 log a day.

Keep workin' at it Jerry, and you'll eventually get the hang of this retirement thing.  I sawed half of a log Sunday and ran out of gas.  Went and got gas yesterday, then sawed the other half log this morning.  I think I'll take a nap now. ;D 8) 8)
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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2009, 02:42:52 PM »
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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2009, 11:52:26 PM »
Anybody using a hydraulic winch on a trailer ?  How are you running it ?  Did you build a hydraulic system on the trailer ??? From what I read they are designed to run on a trucks power steering pump.

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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2009, 12:12:38 AM »
bck, the Milemarker winches do run off the truck's PS pump.  As far as I know, they're the only ones that do.  My winch is mounted behind the cab of my truck, and cannot be removed without disrupting the power steering.  The electric solenoids that control it are mounted on the winch itself, and the PS fluid circulates through them all the time.  Since I got mine, they have come out with a different system, where the solenoids can be mounted under the hood of the truck, and the hoses going to the winch are not pressurized unless you are using it.  This enables you to put quick-disconnect fittings on it and move or remove it.  If you can think of those hydraulic lines in the way you would an electrical circuit, the old way was a series circuit, and the new way is a parallel circuit.  With the new way, you could easily mount one on your trailer, and just unplug it like you do your lights. ;)
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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2009, 06:16:51 AM »
Not all hydraulic winches run off the power steering pump. I had a Ramsey 12,000 lb that the pump mounted on the side of the trany. It had a 4-gallon reservoir that I mounted under the bed, right behind the cab. I mounted that winch inside the frame on the back of the 1-ton truck. When I got the winch, the gear in the pump was right angled for a Chevy trany. Therefore, I had to change the gear to a left angle to mount it on a ford trany.

The reason I mounted the winch on the back of the truck was that the truck was built for mud running, and it takes 50% less pull to winch out thru the tracks that you made then it dose to create new tracks. I rigged up some heavy hangers under the truck that I could hang cable in for when I needed to pull from the front.

In my opinion the hydraulic winches way out perform electric winches. I have seen more cables over heat than I have hoses blow. If you plan to work your winch, be sure to build a heavy roller frame. I have seen the light rollers that come with the winch go flying the first time the winch was used.
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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2009, 06:48:55 AM »
Hydraulic winches,If a fella is serious you can mount a hyd. pump with a magnetic clutch off your fan belt,not only use it for the winch but plow and dump body.My old 1 ton ford I ran the pump from trans. pto for dump, winch, and rear firewood loader.With a good long cable you can back the trailer agenst a tree and do some serious yarding.Frank C.
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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2009, 08:51:32 AM »
Those belt driven, engine mounted pumps seem like a good way to go, but it is difficult to install them these days with the serpentine belts. ::)
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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2009, 03:03:49 PM »
Its fustrating to run out of battery before you get all the logs loaded, happened to me again this week. It's usually not a problem but if I have to drag the logs any distance the battery I have just wont hold up long enough. Plus the electric limits me to one load a day.
 I hadnt thought about quick disconnects, like what the jaws-of-life use ?? Guess that would be the easiest and cheapest.
If I switch over maybe I can fix the other fustrating thing about the way I load logs. My winch is mounted solid to the trailer and that means I can only load the trailer from the passenger side.  Wonder if instead of the winch mounted on one side of the trailer , I could mount it on the truck and use something like a 3x3x1/4" steel tube with a shackle  that could be moved to either side ? Run the cable through the shackle to roll the logs up the ramp? Or instead of a shackle use a roller fairlead ?  Think the cable could take the 90degree bend long?

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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2009, 03:32:14 PM »
SCSawyer I like your homemade mill.

I don't know a whole lot about this stuff but I would stay away from the small four wheeler type winches.  They have plastic gears.  They can strip and kill you.

Also, another trailer idea.  Not sure how it will turn out, I got an old pole trailer from a power company.  I don't know what its rated for but it has dual tires and heavy leaf springs.  I got it cheap.

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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2009, 04:07:12 PM »
BCK,
I understand your frustration totally about the electric winch limitations.  :(

I mounted my winch on the front of the trailer and use a snatch block on either side as needed to parbuckle logs up.  If pulling a smaller log up the back end of the trailer, I may need to use the snatch along the side of the trailer to help direct the angle of pull.
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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2009, 08:16:02 AM »
 Loading Arch, nice load of 1400 bd/ft of soaking wet cypress and Pine, from the river. 12V deep cycle battery in the neck of the trailer, and, 8000# Warn Winch mounted in the neck of the trailer. Took about 1 hour to load, and 3 loads a day was done several times, once we got the mill, and cut travel time.








 The arch helps to drag the logs off the ground a little, to save from tearing up the yards. Build a Low wheel Log Retriever, and take the strain off the winch. Load it ON the Trailer to go get logs, and load it ON the logs, to go home, all using the Arch.
 It ain't difficult to do.





  Wired the power to charge the battery right from the trailer socket on the truck. Ran #10 wire to the battery. Battery would charge from the truck as we traveled to the river and back.

  Hydraulic is nice. Electric cost $600.00 including Winch, Battery, and wiring ???

  Trailer might be for sale. Contact Oakiemac.
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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2009, 08:48:19 AM »
FLADH,

 Hey, up north here we use tires on our wheels ;D Good pics.


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« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2009, 11:14:21 AM »

 That was what we had laying around. Only needed it for 2 days.  ::) ;D ;D
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Re: winch and trailer to load logs
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2009, 12:11:34 PM »
my guess is it turns right real easy :D :D
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